“Women do ask for more. They just aren’t rewarded for it.”

http://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news/radcliffe-magazine/are-women-new-majority-in-workplaceBryce Covert has a really interesting piece on The Atlantic online  about the so-called “ambition gap” in the workplace, the excuse so often trotted out to explain away the nagging gender wage gap: “When researchers have studied the ambition gap,” she writes, “they’ve discovered something peculiar: It’s not there. Women do ask for more. They just aren’t rewarded for it.”

The phrase “ambition gap” has always irritated me because it presumes something that’s not really about ambition. It’s about the fact that women often wind up doing things other than/in addition to dedicating themselves to their careers, and the assumption is that a) this is a choice & b) as a result, women don’t get to advance as men might — that’s not an “ambition” problem, that’s a “society-wide, institutionalized sexism” problem.

As it turns out, personally, I was happy to plan my professional life in a way that means I work part-time and am my children’s primary care-giver, but a) that’s me and b) that’s a luxury.

The fact is that my personal choice happens to dove-tail with American society’s expectations of women: If you’re a woman, no matter your circumstances, it’s your job to care for other people. If those people are your babies, your elderly parents, or your (presumably) adult and fully functional husband (who, presumably, you deeply want to acquire), it matters not — their well-being, good behavior, and pleasant appearance is on your shoulders; you, of course, are on your own. There’s a reason the phrase “mommy track” exists, but “daddy track” not so much.

At the same time (surprise!), we don’t actually value that role. We don’t help stay-at-home parents with, say, tax breaks and government-subsidized childcare training. We don’t provide government-subsidized support for care-givers of folks on home hospice care. We don’t, generally, say “Oh, don’t worry about that project, your family is more important.”

So I’ve always assumed that cultural and institutionalized sexism stand behind the “ambition” gap, but that said gap, and any impact it has on the pay gap, is real.

But no! It turns out that even when you account for all that, women get shafted at work:

[Research group] Catalyst has spent extensive time evaluating this issue. Its first report followed recent MBA graduates… to see how men and women fared.

Women’s first jobs out of school were at a lower level than men, and men had higher starting salaries, even when the number of years of experience, time since the MBA, industry, and geography were taken into account. Maybe men just start off more ambitious?

But they don’t. The findings held true even among men and women who aspired to the CEO or senior executive level. It also held true for men and women who didn’t have children. It’s not the mommy track. It’s something else.

What’s that something else? Is it choice of major? Choice of occupation? Early-life family requirements? It seems not. A recent study from AAUW looked at men and women one year out of college and found a 7% gender earnings gap, even when school selectivity, grades, choice of major, choice of occupation, and hours-worked were taken into account.

Even among extraordinarily ambitious and successful workers of both genders, Catalyst research found a gap. They followed full-time workers who didn’t take breaks for education or family reasons or self employment. The mommy-trackers were left out. But the gap didn’t go away: Twice as many of the most proactive men advanced to a senior executive level as similar women. The report concludes, “[W]hen women used the same career advancement strategies as men, they advanced less.”

Here’s one finding that particularly cleared my sinuses:

One study told 184 managers that they would have a limited pot of money to hand out in raises to employees with identical skills and responsibilities. The managers that were told they’d have to negotiate gave men two-and-a-half times the amount in raises that they gave to women before anyone sat down. This meant that the men didn’t even need to negotiate for higher pay, while women were already at a disadvantage when they tried to bargain up….

There’s a lot going on here, where “here” = all of American society, a collective that encompasses 312 million people. I can’t help but feel that in a country in which the Bureau of Labor Statistics can categorize “child-care problems” as a “non-economic” reason for part-time work, the approach to resolving the pay gap will have to be decidedly multi-pronged.

But no matter how many prongs we bring to bear, this is the bottom-line: “Assuming that women have themselves to blame for the wage gap is an easy conclusion, because it doesn’t ask us to think [about] the treatment of women in the workplace.”

Only when we’re honest about the bias actually faced by 50% of humanity will we begin to be able to address it.


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  1. watson42

     /  December 3, 2012

    I’ve read several studies that show that when women ask for raises or negotiate salary, etc not only are they not rewarded in the same way as men, often they are impacted negatively for doing so.

    Having made it to management level before, I totally believe this. The management meetings where senior management sit around the table and decide on merit increases and promotions are incredibly telling, and incredibly depressing.

  2. another emily

     /  December 4, 2012

    Bah humbug, this validates my not-worst-but-most-likely-to-happen fear. My husband and I are finishing up school and interested in going into more or less the same line of work, and our plan is just to throw ourselves at the job market and move wherever one of us can get the “best” job. I’m terrified that because he’s one year ahead of me, and male, he’s going to have a real career because he’ll get the “best” job out of the gate and forever after, while I’ll have so few options wherever we end up that after a few years I’ll “choose” to be a stay at home mom. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that if it’s a first choice, but I’d prefer to work full time, and if that’s not an option my dreams will pretty much be crushed.)

    • I would say – look at it this way: These are statistics and averages, not the be-all-end-all for each and every individual woman. Go out and do whatever you need to do, and do the best you can with the awareness that these things happen (knowledge really is power), and there’s a pretty decent chance that you will be one of the (many, after all) women for whom these things did not prove to be true. (Good luck!)

  3. I wonder if women will ever get rewarded the correct way in our lifetime? Thanks for blogging about this!

  4. This problem is also compounded by executive ambitions; I’ve heard of managers who will harass, belittle, and demote other workers with transfers in order to preserve their own chances of promotion. It gets worse when these managers–usually men–see women in their offices as rivals, because they don’t like being shown up by someone whom society has usually considered the weaker half of the species.Those types of people just make the workplace that much harder.

  5. Interesting post! I do believe that the gender gap in the workplace still exists. There are many things that tend to work against women in the workforce, one being having children (for obvious reasons) as well as raising a family because women tend to be the primary caregivers at home. I have read research that shows that even nowadays women tend to earn less than men for the same position, even though they have the same qualifications!

    I also noticed that nowadays, it’s kinda expected that women pursue their career solely or manage their career while being the primary caregiver at home (and do the latter well too). A woman who chooses to opt out of the career path and stay at home full-time is sometimes frowned upon – by other women! There is this unspoken judgment between women who work and are moms, vs. those who choose not to work and become full-time moms. It’s crazy how it’s come to this. After all, I think the whole feminist movement back in the 70’s was about the CHOICE to work or not (not the obligation to do so). Congrats on being FP!

  6. That may be true…but you do get Ladies Night at the bar…

    • Ladies Night is intended to get young women drunk. It’s really Men’s Night.

  7. This is an excellent and very true post.

  8. Still interesting though… because the big statistic quoted all the time is the “women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes”. In your article, you mention that AAUW (which is still incentivized in one direction) admits straight-up that it’s actually 93 cents. In another AAUW study I quoted in one of my posts, in which they added some other factors, they say it’s 95 cents.

    I’m also curious about these statistics, where never-married women have made more than men since the ’50s: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/leo031405.asp

    Is there sexism? Yes. Should people be brought to justice for it? Yes. Is explaining away a 5% gap (at maximum!) worth accusing all men of being “sexist”? I’ll leave that up to you.

  9. Reblogged this on The covert sociologist and commented:
    Thank you for showing this. I get tired of hearing ‘women are not as ambitious’

  10. Great post! Calm, clear, smart. Thanks! I have seen (and been one) too many women whose income/work has been hammered by their compassion — helping their family, younger or older — in a society and culture that values only paid economic activity.

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  12. Great post!!

    I’ve seen some articles about this recent research project that advertised a job in classified ads: http://www.nber.org/papers/w18511
    Sometimes, the ads said the salary was negotiable. Sometimes they left that out. When it was negotiable, the men (24%) and women (22%) in the study both negotiated. When it was not explicitly up for negotiation, the men (11%) were more likely to ask for more salary than the women did (8%).
    A few things about this study raise questions for me.
    The jobs were all administrative assistant jobs, typically “pink collar” jobs held by women. How did that affect the findings?
    One article about it quoted the study author saying, ‘”By merely adding the information that the wage is ‘negotiable,’ we successfully reduced the gender gap in applications by approximately 45 percent,” said List.”

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-11-women-eager-salaries-opportunity.html#jCp

    The differences don’t seem that big, and I can’t access the study to look at their statistical methods.

    Way back in college, I read the Deborah Tannen books on gender and communication. Something I learned is that men typically try to “one-up” each other in conversations, while women tend to try to equalize everbody’s status. (That doesn’t mean we don’t compete in other ways… it’s just the verbal communication style we learn is different). I wonder how much that factors into this? Are men more at ease with false bravado, testing out their worth until they get told otherwise? Have women learned to just ask for what everybody else gets, so as not to appear “above” anybody else?

    • Great points, and I suspect you’re onto something. I, for one, am constantly brushing aside any and all praise I receive at work. I’ll say things like “Thank you, but this was very much a team effort,” or, “Oh, that? It was nothing.” I notice myself saying things like this even when the credit is all mine. I suppose, at the end of the day, I’m uncomfortable being “above” anyone else, as you say.

      I will say that it’s something I’m working on, as I’m becoming aware of just how much damage these seemingly innocuous comments can cause. I’m not about to exaggerate my accomplishments (but I agree that someone who does is likely earning more than me for the same work), but I can give myself full credit for a job well done.

      And don’t get me started on salary negotiation.

      Great post with loads of food for thought.

  13. And I don’t know whether the study looked at whether the hiring manager actually GAVE the women who negotiated a higher wage, or whether they were penalized for it.

  14. Great comments re the discrimination in the US. Not quite so bad here in Australia – the govt here recognises the need for carer and child subsidies and most employers reward women equally to men – congrats on being Freshly Pressed

  15. We need compensation for stay-at-home moms who fill a crucial role in our society, period. This doesn’t mean all women with children should be expected to stay home. It means that the mothers who choose to stay home get recognized in our money=success society for the extreme value of their role. This can be accomplished by way of pay to stay-at-home moms, or at the very least HUGE tax breaks that allow the working parent (in a two parent home) to earn enough for the family.

  16. Jeff Nguyen

     /  December 10, 2012

    I would argue that instead of talking 24/7 about the fiscal cliff, the bobble heads should address the fiscal chasm that exists between men and women in the workplace.

  17. An excellent post! Thanks!

  18. I agree that there is workplace discrimination.

  19. Well said.

  20. “We don’t help stay-at-home parents with, say, tax breaks and government-subsidized childcare training.” Even bringing this topic in a discussion might end up with assumption of being socialist. Netherlands embrace stay-at-home parents and no one calls them socialists. It is so hard to break stereotypes, specially nowadays where someone’s opinion is more important than others well being.

  21. absolutely… and then they call us the fair sex and things like the better halves… what a joke…

  22. jessmittens

     /  December 10, 2012

    I read yesterday that here in Australia, on average men earn 17.5% more than women in similar jobs.
    Great post – you’re so right about the ambition, and that was mentioned in the report I read, too. They said women are just more likely to be cautious about taking risks, which could hold them back in a lower role but is actually an asset when working in a high powered job as they’re less likely to mess things up. Interesting!

    I will never understand why we have to fluff around on this issue with ‘ambition gaps’ and choices about parenting, it’s all bullshit. You do the same job, you should get paid the same. It’s that simple.
    Why this is such a problem baffles me.

    Great post.

  23. liverwort2

     /  December 11, 2012

    Yes, this “ambition gap” phenomenon has always irked me. The fact is, women want to excel just as men and yet somehow when women try to rise higher in the company hierarchy, they are rebuked and considered “over-ambitious” (quite the irony). The issue here is what defines ambition – is it how far a person rises, or how far a person wants to go?

    Kylie raised an interesting point too…but it’s just another thing of who has the control. Men dominate the workplace, and so the trait of “manly bravado” is perhaps looked upon as a good thing. If women dominated the workplace, I’m sure that would be reversed: “equalizing” would be the norm and “bravado” would be frowned upon. It’s a given that most different things introduced into a…established status quo provoke resentment, misunderstandings, and of course good old prejudice. I guess that’s what we’re seeing now.

  24. Very interesting article – not heard of the ambition gap here in the UK as yet but am sure we will soon. Disappointing to read things are as bad there as they are here to be honest. At a recent diversity event I attended we were told that the percentage of women on boards throughout the world was less than 1% – ridiculous isn’t it.

  25. As a mother of three myself and being equally ambitious and highly creative I can totally relate to the subject of your post. The problem is that it isn’t just an issue about gender inequality or ‘sexism’, this is a human rights issue. The fact that as a woman in society you are still subjected to being treated as an underclass is truly mind-boggling and abhorrent. God forbid that you should add anything else into the mix such as race, cultural background, or sexual orientation! It’s a big mess, and ‘unfairness’ doesn’t even begin to scratch the service of this very large ice-berg, but for as long as this attitude prevails we as women will have our work cut out for us. However, that does not mean that we cannot and aren’t successful, there just needs to be more recognition as you say of our efforts and be accorded equal status, financially and in every other way. In some ways I guess the ‘gender divide’ has been a very obvious and convenient form of societal control for…well I dread to think for how long – it’s painful!
    We know as women that we aren’t any different than anyone else, we are just as capable as the next person. And that’s just it, the onus needs to change in terms of humanity’s perception of itself so that we each think of ourselves as human beings first, and everything else after that. It’s a no-brainer really. It’s a mental shift that needs to occur in each of us so that we stop subscribing to the notion of there being any difference at all, and thus stop perpetuating this ridiculous and suffocating notion of gender inequality.
    I love your post and I think it’s a massively important issue. Thanks for taking the time to highlight it. A great read!

    Warm Regards!

    • Excuse the typos!

    • The whole “it’s a human rights issue” is something that I come back to all the time. We’re 50% of humanity, for pity’s sake. Our issues aren’t a special interest — they’re human needs. I think of this particularly in regard to sexual assault and reproductive health questions. When you’ve got half of your population dealing with serious threats to their physical well being, and it’s largely a result of the behavior of the other half — that’s a human rights issue.

  26. Reblogged this on IshaiyaFreshlySqueezed and commented:
    Important issue, worth reading!

  27. OyiaBrown

     /  December 11, 2012

    Reblogged this on Oyia Brown.

  28. sedrate

     /  December 11, 2012

    Women in a workplace are also “expected” or bullied into forsaking overtime pay “for the good of the company”. The harrassement and “bitch” labelling continues and increases if the women insist on their contractual rights. Men are either paid the overtime or excused from the extra work but either way, no one is mean to them for demanding the overtime pay.

  29. I’m just beginning my professional career. Is there any way to combat/counteract this? I realize these numbers are averages, but this is a big problem and I want to do whatever I can to put myself and other women at an advantage while dealing with this unfair treatment.

  30. With reference to this:
    “At the same time (surprise!), we don’t actually value that role. We don’t help stay-at-home parents with, say, tax breaks and government-subsidized childcare training. We don’t provide government-subsidized support for care-givers of folks on home hospice care.”

    …I say in a transport of nationalist pride, in Canada there’s a federal-level Child Care Subsidy! To ease the burden of day-care costs, fully $100 is given to each home with a child under age five EVERY MONTH, and without reference to how rich or poor the family is. One assumes the person who set this up was studiously avoiding any information on the actual costs of raising a child.

    On the central topic, I have to admit utter bafflement on this persistent double-standard. The work doesn’t care nor in most cases show the gender of the person that did it, so why should that matter to the wages? The frequent justification of women departing to have children seems foolish, since (a) where else are children going to come from?, and (b) a similar justification of foreshortened career possibility is trotted out in reference to the grotesque salaries of high-end professional sports figures. If it’s right for someone to make millions before their knees fuse, is must similarly be right to pay women rather more than men because they’re called away by the demands of procreation… right?

    • Great analogy between women workers/sports stars. Many of those salaries are criminally-excessive anyway imo, and I’m sure I’m not the only one rankled by the fact that Premiership soccer players – I live in the UK – take home multiples of my annual salary in a week (I work in the healthcare sector). A world where we were all remunerated according to our honest-to-God value to society would look very different, wouldn’t it?

  31. As a father who was single for a long time, who shouldered 90% of the child-rearing duties and 100% of the financial responsibility for the last 15 years, I suppose I should be deeply offended at this phrase: “There’s a reason the phrase ‘mommy track’ exists, but ‘daddy track’ not so much.”

    But I just can’t bring myself to wallow.

    Yes, I gave up career advancement in favor of my daughters. I earn much less now than I could have otherwise. It was a privilege to give up so little for so much.

    The most important point made by the author comes as a comment: “These are statistics and averages, not the be-all-end-all for each and every individual woman. Go out and do whatever you need to do … and there’s a pretty decent chance that you will be one of the (many, after all) women for whom these things did not prove to be true.”

    So, am I to conclude there’s a “pretty decent chance” that women will NOT suffer “the bias actually faced by 50% of humanity”?

    If so, why couldn’t the author bring herself to state that out front? Is that an idea not meant for general consumption?

    And what are we to make of the 2011 college enrollment statistics? The Bureau of Labor Statistics points out:

    “For 2011 [high school] graduates, the college enrollment rate was 72.3 percent for young women and 64.6 percent for young men.”


    Other headlines blare:

    * College Gives Women an Employment Edge Over Men
    * The Growing Difference in College Attainment between Women and Men
    * Women Now Earning More College and Graduate Degrees Than Men

    As the father of two daughters, I’m ecstatic about their chances in life. But what about the “enrollment gap”? Does that speak well for men? Do we even care?

    If the author commits herself to closing the “enrollment gap” for men, then I’ll believe she’s not sexist.

    • Dude, the fact is that men don’t need to go to college to outearn women. Women KNOW we have to be twice as good as a man to get paid nearly as much, so we overprepare. That’s the secret to the “enrollment gap” that you’re banging on about. Men can frankly be less educated and less well-prepared and STILL EARN MORE THAN WOMEN.

      Boo freakin hoo, cry me a river.

      • I’m so glad you came by to comment, and I want to ask you to be careful with the tone. As someone who writes a lot about the Middle East, I’m painfully well acquainted with how quickly comment sections can get very personal and very unpleasant. Feel free to disagree away! (Just as agwallacewriter clearly does, with me!) But it’s really important to me that this space remain civil.

      • Fireandair: Thanks for the reply to my reply! 🙂 Now that we’ve established that women are twice as good as men, perhaps you’d care to address another shocking inequality. The BLS also points out that: “The college enrollment rate of Asian [high school] graduates (86.7 percent) was higher than for recent white (67.7 percent), black (67.5 percent), and Hispanic (66.6 percent) graduates.”

        A few questions for you:

        Are Asians “twice as good” as the other races?

        Should Whites (along with Blacks and Hispanics) receive “affirmative action” to level the playing field? And if not, why not?

        And finally, when does the effort to achieve “equality” come to an end? When government policies have forced everyone to be “equal”? When government bean-counters weight the averages so that everyone is “deemed equal”? When humanity finally treats every human equally?

        It’s all well and good to decry discrimination of all kinds. I simply believe that the “Government Diversity Complex” can only fail in its efforts to solve the problems — just as it failed to win the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs.

        I also have little doubt that I should be forced into a Diversity Training Program just for asking such impertinent, racist questions.

        • As I asked fireandair above, I will also ask you: Please watch your tone. Snooty sarcasm (to quote one of my favorite comics of all time) is never prudent.

    • And I do want to add only that I have no problem with acknowledging and in fact giving enormous support to at-home and/or single-parent fathers. Dads are every bit the parents as moms, and we will be a much better, healthier society when we begin to expect fathers to act as such, and to reward and respect those who do.

      What I said was that the phrase “daddy track” doesn’t exist. Which it doesn’t. “Mommy track” is a well-known, often-used phrase in the business world which was coined out of the assumption that women care for children, not men — an assumption that is, frankly, at least as insulting to my husband (and to you) as it is to me.

      • Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I understood on the first reading how you meant “daddy track”. I know it doesn’t exist — which is why, if I was a feminist, I’d probably be offended. I’m neither.

        You are obviously well-intentioned and sincere in your efforts toward equality. I truly appreciate that, and wish you well. I simply disagree — in a profound way — that the equality which you so eloquently pursue can be achieved by the methods you seem to embrace.

        The non-existence of a “daddy track” is a case in point. If such a thing were ever officially established, the meaning of it would be sucked out by a hideous government rule book several hundred pages long.

        I’m not insulted by the way things are, and I don’t want any activist/lawyer/lobbyist to get rich implementing the “daddy track.” I just do what I think is right, and allow others to do the same.

        Sadly, “live and let live” has died a horrible death in our modern, ostensibly tolerant society.

  32. So true!!!!!! I was in an engineering group once, where some women friends often asked to be assigned to more high level tasks, but the manager of the group denied them the “hot topics” of studies… only to months later evaluate them as not as motivated as the others and not producing interesting results… (!!!!!!!!!!!) this is a kind of invisible problem… it’s the kind of thing that nobody sees but, happening throughout society, affects uncountable people!!!!! =/ this must change.

  33. It seems not only women, but all suffering people will need more time for the rewards.

  34. Reblogged this on DisintegratingRose and commented:
    …Now, this really pissed me off. I’m glad I’m going into a STEM career, or I might’ve been even more screwed. I really do not understand why women are shunted aside for “more able” men. Emily Hauser is absolutely correct. This occurs because of the sexism that has pervaded society since the beginning of time, but we aren’t hunter-gatherers anymore people. This society isn’t about strength anymore; it’s about the brains. Where women lack in strength, they make up for it in intelligence.. if given the chance. For the women who want to stay at home and raise a family, that’s great. As I said before women have plenty of brains and mental strength (which is necessary to care for these little tykes) to make up for the lack of muscle. I, however, want to see how far I can develop my mind and prove that I am not only good “for the kitchen” or “making babies”, but I can be as smart as any man. And you bet your keester that I’m going to rip apart gender roles and their barriers to get what I want ‘cuz if you mess with the bull, you get the horns… and I’m a Taurus.

  35. It always amazes me that in Scandinavian countries, this is not an issue. But there,the focus in on family, not personal gain. And the male/female equation seems to be viewed much more as an equal partnership. We’re getting there in the U.S., but we’re not as progressive as we like to think we are . . . it’s going to be a cultural shift over time only if enough of us put family and partnership first and agree that it’s not the size of your stuff–it’s the quality of your life that matters.

  36. Kiersten Marek

     /  December 11, 2012

    Reblogged this on Kmareka.com.

  37. Reblogged this on Kith and Kin : The Sisters Grinn and commented:
    I’ve been running into this sort of thing for the whole five years I’ve spent in a work force so far, and I’m already infuriated. Watching manager after manager (all sexist disgusting pigs) get fired at my gas station job sucked, especially when I knew women currently employed there that would make great managers. One of them was my best friend who had worked there for years! They didn’t deserve her and I’m glad she left.
    This isn’t about women being too afraid to demand good compensation, and it’s not about women having other important things in their lives. Those are excuses to look a lady in the tits and say ‘you’re still not getting equal pay’.

  38. Excellent article Emily. I have been in media for more than 20 years and it always surprises me to see how many men have jobs a more qualified female co-worker should have gotten. Pay scales as well. Well done.

  39. qistwo

     /  December 11, 2012

    Reblogged this on Women in Design and commented:
    Where there is smoke there is fire…

  40. Now I know why women are so back-stabbing….they literally have to claw their way to the top.

    Makes me wonder how many women stay in a relationship because they cannot support themselves on their own. I know I did for many years, and during all those years and have made two to three times less than my husband (even though I had a higher degree).

    Not to mention I never had “extra” to put into retirement. Lets face it, women get “screwed” in more ways than one!

  41. michaelthewriterguy

     /  December 11, 2012

    I agree that there is a gender earning gap in American society. There is an archaic presumption that women have always been inferior, when that in fact is far from the truth. Women have every right to pursue what their passions are in life. Some women will choose family life over an active career, while some women will balance both a career and a family, while others still will focus more on their professional career. That is a woman’s choice, if she in facts prefers one over the other. But only recently have women rights come to the international spotlight. There is no call for discrimination of the magnitude we see all across the world. Women’s voices should be heard as equally as men’s voices when it means enjoying the rights every individual person deserves, regardless of gender, race, religion, or creed.

    Check out my blog as well. I am sure you will enjoy my work as well. http://www.michaelthewriterguy.wordpress.com

  42. michaelthewriterguy

     /  December 11, 2012

    Reblogged this on michaelthewriterguy and commented:
    This is a wonderful piece speaking on the nature and struggle for women’s rights.

  43. Such a sad reality in corporate america

  44. Well written and extremely sad that this situation still exists in 2012. Women are the most discriminated of any group. Very little is ever discussed regarding this prejudice. Thank you for bringing this light in your blog.

  45. Great post! Im so happy women like you are at least trying to do something about our discrimination were slowly getting there! 🙂 My mom got divorced has no job, doesn’t speak english, three kids including myself and she has accomplish so much. She’s proof we can do anything we set our minds to! As her daughter, I’ve learned so much and I too want to move foward I made a website http://www.whatevercomedy.com hoping I too could help her pay for everything we need especially that roof above our heads! I hoping to make it grow and lift her spirits to give her power, shes attending college learning english 😀

  46. love this post, this exactly how i feel. excellent post

  47. TAE

     /  December 12, 2012

    I read that article, too, and the “pushy bitch” thing came to my mind as well. A confident woman (at least confident in her work, everything else is often another story) with ambitions is looked at completely differently than a man. I guess, it’s up to us (though not to me 😉 to raise future generations differently.

  48. This reminds me of a recent opinion piece in the NYT (I think) suggesting mandatory maternity and paternity leave — paid of course. As in, new parents would be required to stay home with the child for a few months. Sort of like vacation and lunch breaks are mandatory. A radical change from what we do now, but it could be a helpful piece in this distressing puzzle. Here’s why: My own experience matches up with the research you blog about; I have the ambition, and I’ve asked for the salaries and raises and gotten them, but they’ve sometimes been lower than what an equally or less qualified man would get. These decisions are made in murky waters, where it’s hard to prove anything or speak up. If we can instead be very direct and open about other issues relating to gender, family and equality (for example, more fairness in, and respect for, parental leave) it may be easier to break open and fix the wage gap. In part, perhaps, by making a distinction between actual maternity, and being an employee who happens to be a woman.

  49. Dustin Augustine DeMille

     /  December 13, 2012

    Women generally have greater interpersonal skills.

  50. Great blog. What’s most disturbing is in 1970 United Kingdom passed the Fair Wages Act and men here in the USA still can’t wrap their trousers around this concept. I recall on the radio a few months ago at breakfast with my 10 & 9 yr old (Boy & Girl), that revealed stats of how men still get paid more for the same job. Both kids had lots to say about that. It’s not a radical concept and instead a discriminatory action in keeping us paid with lower benefits. Recently I say a movie on the Ford Company in UK in 1968, which led to the Law in UK. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/made-in-dagenham-a-1968-strike-led-to-equal-pay-for-women-2077177.html

  51. Great post! Maybe one day women and men will be treated the same way…

  52. Reblogged this on musicbugsandgender and commented:
    Great article about sexist double standards in employment, particularly the spurious notion of an ‘ambition gap’.

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