Pushing out the old tumbleweeds, pulling in the new – an open thread.

It’s yours (if you want it, you Facebook Horde…!).

Standard FYI clause: I generally wait about 2 hours after Ta-Nehisi would typically open a thread (roughly noon, EST, back when such a thing was typical…!), and if none is forthcoming, I put one up here.

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  1. Blog flogging! Today I finished up a rather lengthy post about NAS whiskies, this time focusing on the approaches taken by Ardbeg and Laphroaig, then asking what the future holds. I tend to think a balance will emerge and some of the shine will come off of Ardbeg, but only time will tell.

    http://cocktailchem.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-nas-dilemma-blessing-curse-or.html

    • watson42

       /  October 4, 2012

      Interesting. I have some thoughts about Ardbeg based on some inconsistent experiences with them, but I am going to have to pull my thoughts together when not wading through clinical trial data.

      • From what I understand, the quality of early bottles of Ardbeg’s 10 YO and Uigeadail releases were second to none, because they were sitting on a lot of old stock and not much younger stuff, so they were blending in some very good, very old whisky into their younger expressions. Additionally, fermenting and distilling practices have changed under the new ownership, so the character has become a bit lighter than it was before. Now that Glenmorangie has been in charge for over a decade, the new juice is working its way into regular expressions and quality has suffered.

        • watson42

           /  October 4, 2012

          One of the things I’ve recently started doing when I buy new whisky is to keep a little of the old bottle so I can taste them side by side. It was after a couple of very inconsistent experiences with Ardbeg and Glenmorangie that started the habit. With unemployment, I haven’t had much opportunity to do this much, but once I have a bit of a data set I’ll post about it.

    • Jumping on the flog train–
      today we recapped XFactor, had more Paris Fashion Week and saw how badly things were going on Sesame street after Romney’s threatened BigBird.
      http://anibundel.wordpress.com

  2. caoil

     /  October 4, 2012

    How are you today, Ms. Em?

    I am off to the fabric store at lunch today, since time is ticking on me getting costumes together in time for December. I’ve got to at least start redoing our shirts, and attempt to teach myself how to use my serger…

    • I am fine, thank you! But I do not know what a serger is….

      • caoil

         /  October 4, 2012

        Makes the edges or seams tidy. Which is useful for something like these linen shirts, as they have a tendency to fray like the dickens. I wouldn’t have to sew us a third set of shirts if I’d had the serger the first time.

        • efgoldman

           /  October 4, 2012

          mrs efgoldman has been sewing all her life, now using a 30+ year old pfaff that is flat worn out, and would cost more to repair than replace. She swears the next machine will be/have a serger.

          • doginajacket

             /  October 4, 2012

            Are you sure about that? I’m actually serious here, Many old sewing machines were made so much better than the new ones that it really may be more cost effective over the long run to fix the old one.

            • efgoldman

               /  October 4, 2012

              I’m actually serious here, Many old sewing machines were made so much better than the new ones that it really may be more cost effective over the long run to fix the old one.
              Basically all the internal heavy-duty metal parts are worn out. mrs efgoldman is already almost 60, the daughter doesn’t sew at that level, so there’s no-one to pass it on to. The Pfaff cost us @$450 ~35 years ago, I haven’t even looked at the replacement price – the only site I could find quickly, the prices are in pounds sterling.

              • doginajacket

                 /  October 4, 2012

                That makes sense. The last time I looked into new sewing machines (a couple of years ago) Husqvarna-Vikings seemed to be getting the best reviews. If you want to do research on getting a vintage machine check out the archives at sew-classic.com. That lady doesn’t seem to be blogging anymore, but she really knew her siht.

              • neighbors73

                 /  October 5, 2012

                I have a 10 year old Pffaff and Iove it.

  3. Ok – serious question:

    The reason I started doing the Student Lounge open threads was because back when TNC went into the woods for six weeks and we were suddenly without each other, I flashed on my memories of Jezebel pulling the rug out from under commenters one day and leaving an entire community utterly bereft and without means of communication. To the extent that I could help prevent that from happening, I wanted to help prevent that from happening.

    But as I discovered yesterday, the community has in fact found a consistent home base in the meantime, on Facebook. Given that the FB community has really taken off, I’m thinking that these threads are now unnecessary. I enjoy them, but I reallyandtruly have been doing it For The Horde tm, and it seems the Horde doesn’t actually need it anymore.

    Is there any real reason to keep this up? About four of us aren’t on FB, so we’ll be stuck with the Khan’s random open threads, but it strikes me that there’s a real silliness to opening a thread if only four (-ish) people really need it. I don’t think that any of my other readers have joined in more than a time or two.

    If I stop the Alterna-open threads, will it be really anything other than a wistful goodbye to something that has outlived its purpose?

    xoxox
    ellaesther

    UPDATE: Ok, I’m convinced – for the time being, we go forward! If it starts to get really tiny, I may change my mind, but I think for now, the enjoyment of and desire for it is enough that we should leave the shingle up.

    • taylor16

       /  October 4, 2012

      I like the alterna open threads. I know I’m not here every day, but I always at least check in and read. I enjoy having a space to catch up with the people who aren’t in the FB group every day (and yes, there are more than four of us).

      Just, some days are busier than others. And sometimes there just aren’t any conversations I can contribute anything meaningful to.

      Ultimately, it’s up to you if you want to keep hosting these, but I do appreciate them and would appreciate them continuing. I like being in touch with people who aren’t in the FB group too. You guys are my PEOPLE! Even the ones who aren’t on FB.🙂

      • caoil

         /  October 4, 2012

        SECONDED. I have to play catch up on FB every night (can’t see it at work) too, so it’s nice to have this as a backup to the unseeable TNC threads.

      • Here’s the concern I have: Open threads that have only a handful of comments are sad, pathetic threads, and the handful of people commenting on them are there because they’re looking for interaction, and if there’s almost no interaction, that’s kind of sad, too.

        I think I’ll leave it up in the air for now. If comments fall much below where we wound up yesterday (62 comments, which is down from an not-that-long-ago-height of something north of 300), I may pull the plug. But I mean: If we get to like 20-ish or so.

        • I think we’re just in a busy period for many horders. We’ll come back. You’ll see!

          • taylor16

             /  October 4, 2012

            This is most definitely the case for me. The first week of the month is my craziest at work, every month. This month is no exception. I never even opened the OTAN here until about 4:45 yesterday, and then my brain was too fried to add anything.

        • wearyvoter

           /  October 4, 2012

          We’ve been busy at my office, too. This is the time of year when people who need to get peer reviewed papers through the mill clear off their desks and dump loads of things into my email.

      • Bookwoman

         /  October 4, 2012

        Thirded. Sometimes there are things I will talk about here that I won’t on the OTAN, simply because this a smaller and more intimate space.

        But if it’s a pain for you to keep doing this for just a few of us, then so be it. We won’t hold it against you.😉

    • watson42

       /  October 4, 2012

      It’s up to you but as someone not on The Book of Faces (and have no intention of ever being so), I appreciate having the student lounge.

      • And you can’t comment at all on Disqus anymore, right?

        • watson42

           /  October 4, 2012

          Yah. I can comment on Disqus from home, but usually by then it’s way to late to contribute to any discussions. A function of the job, unfortunately.

          • efgoldman

             /  October 4, 2012

            Yah. I can comment on Disqus from home….
            Yup.

      • JHarper2

         /  October 4, 2012

        Like W42 I am not on the book of faces. If the alterna open threads went I away I would have sad. But I know it is a lot of work, and if real work and real life is picking up for you, why then you just do what you need to do for you. I mean that if this ceases to be fun and becomes an obligation, then it is not a thing that needs be continued.

      • cofax

         /  October 4, 2012

        Seconded. Also, some of us are here pseudonymously, as we are not on FB. IOW, you wouldn’t know who I was if I showed up on the FB group. And I don’t go to FB anyway: it’s blocked.

    • I’m with Taylro. I’ve been jumping hurdles, but in about 14 days this job is going to DIE and I will be screamingly bored again and desperate to type to people.
      Besides we don’t blog flog on FB. We need you for flogging!

    • koolaide

       /  October 4, 2012

      Not everyone is part of the fb group. And yet we’d like somewhere to hang out when the HomeBase has no OT. And then there’s the whole annoying-ness of the new disqus…

      But lately I’ve had little of interest to post about b/c well this election and the horrible things people are saying just drain the heck out of me.

      Obvs, whatever works best for you & your time needs is what you need to do. But I’d totally miss everyone were there no student lounge. And I would have sads.

    • doginajacket

       /  October 4, 2012

      Even though I rarely comment I am frequently lurking, esp at this time of day when I am usually sorting papers in a way that requires very little attn. I’m on FB at home, but I’m not in the horde group yet. I suppose I could find someone to let me in so I can lurk there too in the early mornings, but it wouldn’t be quite the same.

    • carlosthedwarf

       /  October 4, 2012

      It would be awesome if the student lounge opened earlier…my slacking-off-at-computer time tends to be limited in the second half of the afternoon.

    • mythopoeia

       /  October 4, 2012

      Emily, to provide some balance to my posts from yesterday, as much time as I spend on FB, that’s all in the evenings and early morning. I don’t dare check it for a five-minute break between projects at work. But I will pop in here.🙂

    • dave in texas

       /  October 4, 2012

      A little late to the party, but I’m another one of the non-Facebookers, and I’m glad you’ve decided to keep going with the alterna-OTANs. I don’t always comment either, but I do in fact check it out every time you have one.

    • efgoldman

       /  October 4, 2012

      I love these threads, because for some reason my company allows access to FYWP (but not to disqus). i am not on book of faces and would like to stay that way forever. Also too, FB as well as disqus is blocked my my company’s security garden weenies.

    • As a non-FB user, I like having the alternate space available.

    • Darth Thulhu

       /  October 4, 2012

      This One, likewise, does not utilize the Tome of Frontal Skullflesh.

      Being able to continue to read here on lunchtime would be neat. Entirely your call, of course.

    • scone

       /  October 4, 2012

      I am in the FB group, but rarely am actually on FB, and when I do, the sheer volume can be overwhelming. I like the daily alterna-OTANs because they are somehow easier to check (though I don’t always comment.)

    • socioprof

       /  October 4, 2012

      Thank you!
      –signed a member of the FB-less.

    • wearyvoter

       /  October 4, 2012

      I can read over here from work, but posting, not so much. So I lurk between 8:00 and 4:30.

  4. SO she who is not my boss hired an intern to get us through hurdle three a few weeks ago.
    She did it while my actual boss (the CFO, who is in charge of oking all hirings) was out of town, and he did not know of the boy’s existence until I asked a question about whose ass we were pulling a laptop of for him.

    Yesterday was a bad day and I was only here for three hours. She who is not my boss was also barely in. Neither of us registered he was not.

    Today she fires off this barrage of emails at him…only to learn that he who is my boss fired said intern as soon as hurdle three ended. I believe that’s what’s known as “tit for tat.”

    • koolaide

       /  October 4, 2012

      yeah. fun times for you. NOT.

      also, too. dang. that might be a funny series of stories about your job except for the part where you have to deal with all the crazy.

    • carlosthedwarf

       /  October 4, 2012

      Whoa, that’s a shitty thing to do to that intern. Poor kid got caught in between two higher-ups playing power games, and he took the fall.

      • koolaide

         /  October 4, 2012

        Yeah. I hope that the firing was handled professionally by the CFO when he actually talked to the intern. Not telling She Who Is Not anibundel’s Boss (or anyone else) is completely crappy.

        • Knowing my boss the “thank you for all you did for us” that happened at the end of the hurdle was totally professional.

      • I would have felt bad for him if he were a better intern. I should not have to all but shove you to go do the things you were hired to do in the first place.
        Also, she shouldn’t have hired him without telling my boss. The truth is, the position he’s in is a full time job that will exist once the board funds it at our December board meeting. She was told there was no money for it until then. She ignored that edict.

        • koolaide

           /  October 4, 2012

          dang. SWINYB seems to be flirting with getting her own self canned, methinks.

          • SWINMB is besties with our CEO. like go on vacay together besties. Not Going ANYWHERE.

            • koolaide

               /  October 4, 2012

              ah. well, then. we’re back to fun times (NOT), then.

              And a Randy Jackson “Dang, dog” thrown in for good measure.

    • socioprof

       /  October 4, 2012

      I looked at this for a mighty long time, trying to figure out what the hell “oking” was. Even now, I am still pronouncing it “ooh-king”

      • This must be like the time I told my vegan friend about the killer potroast I made, and she stared at the word, puzzled as to what my dyslexic fingers had really meant to type. Po-Toast, maybe?

  5. What’s a Facebook community?😦 I signed up for FB several years ago, then got turned off and now ignore the “notifications” Mr. Z sends me. I suppose I could investigate it again, but it seems likely to turn into another time drain.

  6. CitizenE

     /  October 4, 2012

    Given the current political disinterest in debating the summer weather:
    My old friend Eminem and ts1, a hip hop Nairobi combo, the only folks apparently willing to touch this particular third rail–emotional, sappy, probably of little impact, and yet, surprisingly heartening:

  7. carlosthedwarf

     /  October 4, 2012

    Recommendations for men’s skinny jeans: durable, good-looking, can be had for under $60. Go.

    • mythopoeia

       /  October 4, 2012

      I’ve heard good things about Uniqlo jeans, though I don’t know how well they fare on durable. Then again, hit a sale and you can probably get 2 pairs for $60.

    • dave in texas

       /  October 4, 2012

      I would, but I haven’t been a likely candidate for skinny any-damn-thing for about 30 years now.

    • Gap Outlet in Old Town.

    • Bob Jones' Neighbor

       /  October 4, 2012

      Skinny men’s jeans? You a hipster?

      • carlosthedwarf

         /  October 4, 2012

        I appreciate certain aspects of the hipster aesthetic.

  8. koolaide

     /  October 4, 2012

    Emily, I have some vague memory that you wrote a post at some point about being too tired/overwhelmed by The Crazy to even be able to must outrage at whatever news story was the last straw. Is that right? Because I am in that place and wanted to re-read your “this horrible thing happened but as it is yet another of a long line of horrible things I have no outrage left, only sadness and despair.”

    What brought me to this point (again) ? This story about a disabled woman’s rapist having his conviction overturned b/c she didn’t fight back sufficiently. And why didn’t she? Because of her severe disabilities. yeah.

    • watson42

       /  October 4, 2012

      WTF? I continue to be amazed that people seem so confused about the concepts of consent and bodily autonomy.

      However, I have hope. I take a class at the local art school and one night a few weeks ago after the whole “legitimate rape” thing happened, a bunch of the (mostly male) students were talking about how ridiculous it was and how hard could it be in understand that women were human beings. One of them mentioned the photo going around the internet of the older woman holding the sign saying something along the lines “I can’t believe I’m STILL protesting this shit” and how maybe they (the students) needed to be more vocal since things weren’t moving forward fast enough. The younger generation, they iz good peeps.

    • I don’t think that word means what you think it means. All the same, have fun storming the castle!

    • Darth Thulhu

       /  October 4, 2012

      Next time our gaming week falls through, I should propose that as the cinematic replacement. Everyone can quote most of the dialogue at this point.

      • I told you people one of my co workers has never seen that movie, yes?
        Personally it made me feel extremely old.

        • koolaide

           /  October 4, 2012

          Some people have no taste nor people to steer them in the proper direction. By best friend and I have made certain to expose her kids & my sister’s kids and a few other neighborhood kids to the gloriousness that is the Princess Bride.

    • cofax

       /  October 4, 2012

      Flavorwire has a summary of a Princess Bride reunion in New York City this week. Very fun.

      I do hope Goldman never makes the sequel, though. You can’t put lightning back in the bottle, after all.

  9. koolaide

     /  October 4, 2012

    WNBA playoffs. The Lynx-Seattle series was really great. Will a tired Lynx be able to fend off the Sparks? Can Tamika Catchings will her Indiana Fever back to the title game (and win)? Interesting storylines & great games. Take a look🙂

    • taylor16

       /  October 4, 2012

      I must shamefully admit that I hardly ever watch the WNBA.😦 I chalk it up to my general ambivalence toward basketball, although every time I’ve ever seen a women’s game I love it.

      However … I think my husband and I are going to head to the Fever/Sun game on Monday night. Will report back….

      • koolaide

         /  October 4, 2012

        ooh. Fever/Sun game. Tasty. I❤ Catchings. That series could turn into one of those "defensive battles" that some basketball fans love and others think are sloppy messes. Or it could be a barn-burner. Depends on which Indy offense shows up. They're going to have a hard time dealing w/ the post players for the Sun.

        I spent $5 on the full season pass for the WNBA liveaccess so I can watch streamed games (no cable tv for me). It was a great use of the $5. Though w/ games that are on espn, they're blacked out until the next day b/c espn wants people to watch the tv.

  10. watson42

     /  October 4, 2012

    I am having a craving for dark-chocolate-dipped salted caramels. Maybe I should make some this weekend.

    • koolaide

       /  October 4, 2012

      True confessions time:

      I had a massive craving for yellow mustard yesterday. I have no idea why I had this very weird craving. So odd.

  11. watson42

     /  October 4, 2012

    I read a news blurb earlier than some NHL players are signing to teams in Europe. I didn’t think it was possible, but my contempt for Bettman continues to grow. If there’s no NHL hockey, at least I live in the town with good college hockey.

  12. Mostly absent the last 24 hours-plus…Somehow, I hurt my lower back. Don’t know when or how, but I could barely move yesterday and I left work after half a day due to agony. But no, I could not tend to my back, because I had the first meeting with mother, brother and estate attorney. We got the elder care/PoA stuff done, but the estate matters are in the air over the house. (My brother, who has a Romney-esque view of people who don’t pull in a half mil a year, is convinced I should be forced to move out of the house because in his view I couldn’t POSSIBLY be capable of paying bills or handling paperwork. Uh, guess who’s paying Mom’s bills and handling her paperwork, genius. It ain’t you.) Finally made it home to a heating pad, but didn’t sleep much if any and now I’m dragging today, with sore back AND neck and sleepy. Hence I haz a quiet.

    • koolaide

       /  October 4, 2012

      comfort to you.

    • Darth Thulhu

       /  October 4, 2012

      #Comfort

      Pray the homefront stuff continues to move productively. Best of luck on a swift recovery with your back.

      (Should healing be slow, consider ripping out your brother’s spinal column and using it as a replacement.)

    • efgoldman

       /  October 4, 2012

      I recommend an aluminum softball bat as an excellent negotiating tool.
      Alternatively, you could hire Craig and Vanderhoff to reason with him.

    • taylor16

       /  October 4, 2012

      Ugh, I’m sorry. Family sh*t like this is the absolute worst. My dad went through a similar situation with his Romneyesque brother and his Parkinsons-afflicted mom. It was endlessly frustrating for everyone, so I can only wish that you find some time to yourself. Feel better soon…

      • Thanks all.

        The one bright spot is that we all seem to be on the same page insofar as my mother’s health and care. It’s *after* that, we may have issues.

  13. socioprof

     /  October 4, 2012

    Aahhh. I finally finished grading papers from one of my classes. I don’t know who first papers are more painful for–me or them. It is always a bad sign when a student uses 14-point font, double returns between paragraphs, a heading that is four inches away from the title and still manages to not hit the minimum page length. Now I only have to finish the other class’s papers before class 1 turns in their second paper on Monday.

    • taylor16

       /  October 4, 2012

      It used to crack me up when students would apparently devote significant time to changing margin and font sizes so that I “wouldn’t notice” that they hadn’t actually made the page minimum. They had no idea that after reading 55 papers written in 12 point font with one inch margins, one in 16 point font with 1.5 inch margins would stick out like a sore thumb.

      (Not to mention, I always thought that they probably could have gotten a better grade if they spent half the time actually writing that they spent trying to trick me into thinking they wrote enough.)

      Ahh, students.

      • efgoldman

         /  October 4, 2012

        I am uninformed on this new-fangled art of trying to bluff your way through. is it page count that matters now, and not word count?

        • taylor16

           /  October 4, 2012

          I always read papers in hard copy format, so page count was the easier way to go for me. And I always felt a little silly and petty setting minimum page counts … but as I’d tell the students, I had to give them a guideline so they’d know how much to write. And once I gave them a guideline, it was only fair to stick to it so that people who took the time to write more got more credit than those that ignored the rules.

          If I was teaching now, I might switch to word count and do everything electronically. Who knows.

  14. mightbelying

     /  October 4, 2012

    I am submitting job applications for faculty positions in 11 days. I should be worried or anxious or overwhelmed or something (I have a LOT of work to get done for them to be ready), but I am not any of those things because the whole endeavor feels so ridiculous. Like, faculty jobs are for real grownups. Pshh. I feel like I’m playing dress up, but instead of putting on a costume I am spiffying up my CV and saying “I AM an adult, I swear!”

    • mightbelying

       /  October 4, 2012

      ETA: If any members of the Horde who are in academia are willing to share job application materials, esp. if you are at a liberal arts college, I would be most grateful!

      • mythopoeia

         /  October 4, 2012

        I am not in academia, but I proofread for free!

        • socioprof

           /  October 4, 2012

          Nope. that wasn’t my email address. Email me at tna1130 at gmail dot com.

      • socioprof

         /  October 4, 2012

        I teach at one of these and am happy to share. I got my job in 2007, so not that long ago. Email me at tna at gmail dot com

      • socioprof

         /  October 4, 2012

        One day, I will figure this out. Let me try yet again and hopefully this will get to you, mightbelying. . Email me at tna1130 at gmail dot com.

    • efgoldman

       /  October 4, 2012

      …. faculty jobs are for real grownups.
      Hey, i avoided adulthood for 20 years by being on the radio.

    • taylor16

       /  October 4, 2012

      Good luck! I did not get a job worth taking and of course ran away from academia a couple of years ago, but I did get some fly-outs to liberal arts schools. So if you want to see some materials from someone in another discipline and aren’t freaked out by the fact that I’m currently not on faculty (but at the same time, I apparently did not get laughed out the building by search committees either, since I made it to the final interview stage), you know where to find me.🙂

      In my experience, the worst freakout period comes as the applications are out the door and you’re just waiting. Just be sure to schedule yourself some time away from the computer and your email over the next few months, so you don’t totally worry yourself to death. You’ll do great!

    • SWNC

       /  October 5, 2012

      I feel like I’m playing dress up, but instead of putting on a costume I am spiffying up my CV and saying “I AM an adult, I swear!”

      I think everyone feels like that when applying for jobs.

  15. caoil

     /  October 4, 2012

    I wish I could find a Halloween-themed duvet cover (or bedsheet set, even). There are two on Amazon but one is boring, and the other I can’t use because I live with an arachnophobe. I don’t want to have to hand-paint one myself!

    • doginajacket

       /  October 5, 2012

      maybe something from sininlinen.com?

      • caoil

         /  October 5, 2012

        Thank you for that! I’ve never even heard of them before!

  16. Definitely still not all together well. Found a Rmoney flyer in the mailbox, which I proceeded to psychotically rip to shreds and throw in the street like a crazy person.
    Then I came inside and vomited.

    • koolaide

       /  October 4, 2012

      oh. I’m so sorry. I wish I could do more than just wish you comfort & pass you virtual soft blankets & cupcakes.

      • It’s ok. Rob brought me cheesecake last night. He’s a good boyfriend, even if he doesn’t exactly get what the fuss is about.

  17. FB is not the same as an Open Thread. It’s not threaded, so one subject can go all over the place with replies listed sequentially. It’s also not moderated and can get a little unpleasant.

    • (I was thinking as much, but what do I know? Every time I use my faux account to peek at something behind the FB curtain, I honestly don’t know how people actually use it all day long. It looks very… annoying. To my untrained eye).

  18. wearyvoter

     /  October 5, 2012

    Happy Friday!