Open thread for the Horde with a broken home.

That Atlantic just broke for me about 10 minutes ago, and is still broke. So. Assuming it’s not just me: Here’s a thread!

Standard FYI clause: I generally wait about 2 hours after Ta-Nehisi would typically open a thread (roughly noon, EST, back when such a thing was typical…!), and if none is forthcoming, I put one up here.

122 Comments

  1. Nope. Not just you, I haven’t been able to access it for half an hour. (Yes, I’m bored silly at work, why do you ask?)

    • baiskeli

       /  July 30, 2012

      Did TNC make the mistake of making a post with “Ron Paul” in the heading?

    • dave in texas

       /  July 30, 2012

      The Atlantic’s site can be squirrelly at times. It sometimes crashes my computer at home (although never on my work computer), something that doesn’t happen at any of the other sites I regularly visit.

      • The Atlantic and the Baltimore Sun both crash my netbook; no other sites do that.

  2. My spouse and I are back from our vacation to cooler climes.

    Things I learned:

    *New Jersey compensates for its deficiencies by having the best liquor stores anywhere (I am now two bottles of Batavian Arrack and one bottle of Oude Genever richer, plus the $20 VSOP cognac).
    *Boston is a lovely city, provided you do not drive except to enter it and leave it.
    *You cannot readily buy cheap beer (much less good cheap beer, IE Yuengling) in bars in Boston.
    *The houses on the Masschusetts coast north of Boston make it look like it is still inhabited by tasteful, if cheerless, puritans.
    *Lobster is a big deal.
    *The White Mountains are gorgeous and savage, much as expected.
    *Mt Washington is big.
    *If you want a beautiful experience, canoe out to one of the remote campsites on lake Umbagog state park in New Hampshire and spend the night.
    *Relatedly, loons really do sound freaky.
    *Moose are large.
    *Vermont and New Hampshire really are yin and Yang, conveniently divided by the Connecticut River.
    *Maple Syrup is a big deal.
    *Northern NH and Northeastern Maine are eerily like Central WVA in culture and economics.
    *The Northern New England Accent is awesome.
    *Montpelier Vermont is a lovely town, but really is tiny.
    *Relatedly, if you want a good meal in Montpelier, go to Salt, the trendy locavore restaurant.
    *West Point is both beautifully situated and depressingly isolated.
    *I knew this already, but northeastern PA is depressing (we went back via I-81 rather than going through the NY metro area).
    *The Yuengling Brewery does not give tours on Sunday.

    • Captain_Button

       /  July 30, 2012

      The White Mountains are the only place men are free of the Tripods.

    • efgoldman

       /  July 30, 2012

      Boston is a lovely city, provided you do not drive except to enter it and leave it.
      Coward!
      You cannot readily buy cheap beer (much less good cheap beer, IE Yuengling) in bars in Boston.
      Certainly not in tourist areas. Its out there. I bet baiskeli knows.
      Northern NH and Northeastern Maine are eerily like Central WVA in culture and economics.
      Not quite. They’re very conservative, but mostly in a “leave us the hell alone” kind of way. They typically don’t have a redneck mean streak.
      Maple Syrup is a big deal.
      Yes, yes it is. My wife just came back from visiting her sister near Rutland VT, and brought back a (small, unfortunately) jar of “Maple Walnut Drizzle”, basically walnuts soaked in thick maple syrup. Just, OMG!

      • Several points about Central WVA:

        -Inhabitants of most of West Virginia are hillbillies, not rednecks — they are highlanders, not lowlanders, and were not nearly so fond of treason during the late War of the Rebellion.
        -Inhabitants of central WVA are generally friendly enough, if guarded.
        -WVA’s inhabitants are ‘my people’ by marriage, so I am somewhat partial to them.
        (Note, Central WVA here refers to the mountainous region west of the Allegheny front but east of the lower plateau to the east; the largest city in this region being Elkins).

        • Mostly, I was talking about the run-down nature of the buildings and the profusion of young men in camo hats.

    • cofax

       /  July 30, 2012

      *The White Mountains are gorgeous and savage, much as expected.
      *Mt Washington is big.

      The highest windspeed ever measured was recorded on the summit of Mt. Washington.

      Also, yes, moose are big. Don’t hit any.

    • LizR

       /  July 30, 2012

      I’ve driven the 84-81 route from New England to Scranton more times than I can count, and I actually couldn’t disagree more about Northeast PA being depressing. I mean, there are definitely depressing things about it (rust belt economy, corruption, racial segregation, voter id laws), but that drive isn’t one of them. Right now I’m doing the Midwest to Scranton drive fairly regularly instead, and I would kill to be doing the New England one instead. NEPA has mountains! And trees! Trees that are reasonably old! Did I mention the mountains? Corn only happens occasionally! It’s possible that things are dry enough there right now that everything just looks brown instead of green or white or spectacular fall colors, which would definitely up the depressing quotient, but, assuming that this summer doesn’t become the new normal due to global warming, that’s really not representative of what the area looks like.

  3. I just wanted The Atlantic to work now that I have an hour of rare and precious down-time in the day! 😦

    In related news, vacation apparently makes my brain forget how to work. Like, entirely. It’s not just feeling behind or disconnected at my job. It’s that I sat down to write a brief news post this morning and more-or-less couldn’t remember what order sentences should go in, or how to write a lede. Wow. Vacation makes me stupid. In a good way.

    Also ani left us fresh tomatoes on the last day she cat-sit Guybrush and he only knocked two little ones all over the floor. The big yellow ones are unharmed and I am about to slice them up with some fresh mozzarella and an olive oil drizzle. Guybrush also apparently retaliated for our vacation by stealing my pens and markers, because a couple of my dry-erase markers are missing and I stepped on a nice pen in the bedroom, about the exact distance a cat would kick it under the door.

  4. Captain_Button

     /  July 30, 2012

    I thought the Atlantic broke millions of years ago when the Laurasian separatists made their move.

    • David L

       /  July 30, 2012

      I have a T-shirt with the slogan “Reunite Gondwanaland” on it. It got a laugh when I wore it to my geology lab in college.

      • Captain_Button

         /  July 30, 2012

        This reminds me of the novel “The Ice People” by René Barjavel which is about the discovery of survivors of the 900,000 year old civilization of Gondwana which destroyed itself with a doomsday weapon in a war with Enisor.

  5. koolaide

     /  July 30, 2012

    Can anyone tell me what’s caused the massive delay at the end of the women’s epee bout btwn the German woman and the SKorean woman? thx

    • David L

       /  July 30, 2012

      The Guardian just reported that the South Korean fencer had refused (possibly still is?) to leave after losing in “controversial circumstances.”

      • koolaide

         /  July 30, 2012

        yeah. she’s just sitting on the court (or whatever they call it in fencing…strip?). I was watching the feed of the fight/bout/whatever and her coach was upset about something that happened at the end. either the timing or the way the equipment worked or the scoring or I got no idea…

      • koolaide

         /  July 30, 2012

        here’s deadspin’s version which says the complaint was about the timing. and the article seems to take the South Korean woman’s side.

  6. David L

     /  July 30, 2012

    Paging Emily to the moderation booth….

    Apparently, the number of links that will get your post sent to the penalty box is two. And after I was careful not to put a third link in because I thought the magic number was three…

    • BUT I DON’T SEE ANYTHING PENDING!!!!1!!one!!

      This is the third time in a week that folks have told me that something has going stuck in moderation and I SEE NOTHING.

      I’m so sorry! And can’t do a damn t hing.

      • David L

         /  July 30, 2012

        I’ll repost, then. No biggie.

      • David L

         /  July 30, 2012

        One of the links I’m trying to post keeps getting eaten. It looks like it posts, but the comment isn’t there. And the link in it is to a newspaper website.

        • The only thing I can suggest is that make it not an actual working URL, and tell people to cut and paste.

          If its any consolation, and I’m sure it’s not, WordPress has been making my life difficult this afternoon, too, and dude: I’m the blogger! I suspect there may be general fuckery about.

  7. GAHOMGICANTEVENKEEPUPDROWNINGDROWNINGDROWNING
    IDONTEVENHAVEA4PMPOSTOMGHELPMEHELPMEHELPME

    This post brought to you by me taking the morning off to ferry my sister around to her doctors appointments.

  8. STUDENT LOUNGE HORDE.

    The boy’s bar mitzvah is in 2 1/2 weeks….!

    For the week surrounding said event, we will be hosting (not in our house, but still) no fewer than 11 Israelis!!

    School starts the day that the 11 Israelis go home, four days after the bar mitzvah!!!

    If you don’t see much of me over the next three weeks or so, you now know why.

    • efgoldman

       /  July 30, 2012

      Get a deal on the fountain pen?

      • (No… don’t tell him, but he’s finally getting his own phone, and he gets to pick it out…).

        • koolaide

           /  July 30, 2012

          ooh. nice. he’ll be the envy of many…

        • socioprof

           /  July 30, 2012

          He’ll surely love that. But, I kinda think that if he gets to pick out the phone, that’ll sorta tip him off. I’ll keep quiet, tho.

          • HE’LL GET A VERY FANCY NOTE IN A BOX.

            Nothing beats a very fancy note in a box.

            • Nothing beats a very fancy note in a box.
              Many decades ago, mrs efgoldman, knowing I really wanted a new pair of speakers that we couldn’t afford. She saved up, keeping it secret. On Xmas day, she gave me a jewelry-sized box with dollhouse-furniture speakers in it, and a bankbook.
              I still have both the speakers and mrs efgoldman.

    • koolaide

       /  July 30, 2012

      Very exciting time for you and your family🙂

      (will there be a temporary home for our student lounge while you’re far too busy w/ family for us?)

    • Bookwoman

       /  July 30, 2012

      Mazel tov! And I send you sanity-keeping vibes, as well.🙂

  9. caoil

     /  July 30, 2012

    I’m glad to see it wasn’t just me/wasn’t my fault! Or that it wasn’t my work firewall getting weird again.

    Here’s a fun thing, though: Ms. Rowling is having treehouses built for her kidlets. WANT. It’s probably more square footage than I’m currently living in!

  10. A miracle happened yesterday, I went to the movies. Short version:

    Ticket to IMAX film: $12.50
    Small soda & pretzel: $10.50 (WTF?)
    Seeing Heinz Field blown up with Ben Roethlisberger & Hines Ward in it: Priceless.

    • I think i just learned how to sell this film to ever last ravens fan.

      • Bob Jones' Neighbor

         /  July 30, 2012

        Cleveland Browns fans, too!

        • aaron singer

           /  July 30, 2012

          Not their new potential owner, however–he’s a Steelers fan.

  11. efgoldman

     /  July 30, 2012

    Ms. Emily, I am a little surprised not to see a reaction post by you to the Mittster’s Israeli super-pander.
    While he was there, i understand he pandered from right to left.
    “Politics stop at the water’s edge.” Or not.
    I never thought I’d see a national candidate as ignorant about foreign policy as Bush the Younger, but Mittster veers dangerously close to the knowledge and verbal shoals of Palin country. Scary.
    Mr. Benen has a good take:
    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/07/30/13034303-putting-a-value-on-a-people?lite

    • Captain_Button

       /  July 30, 2012

      I am afraid. Very afraid.

    • Bob Jones' Neighbor

       /  July 30, 2012

      Someone wrote on one blog or another this morning that Romney’s speech sounded like it had been written by Netanyahu’s people. Which, given that Romney’s foreign policy advisers seem solidly from the neocon camp, and some prominent neocons who were GW Bush’s advisers had previously worked for Netanyahu, could actually be the case…

    • Dude, I’m too busy being an actual Jew this week.

      (Also, like all the good pundits, I responded twice before he’d even gone…!)

    • baiskeli

       /  July 30, 2012

      Mitt Romney’s World Tour is beginning to sound like the theme song of a Tupac concert.


      F*ck the World!

      Any over/under on how long it is before he insults another group of people and whom? I’m going with the Poles.

      • I’m pretty sure that he’s poised to assure his staff, on a hot mic, that even if he messes up in Poland, it’ll be ok, because they’re too stupid to get it.

        • baiskeli

           /  July 30, 2012

          The #romneyshambles Twitter hashtag is totally appropriate. He is running his campaign like a business, assuming the business is trying to burn down in order to get Insurance money.

          • I came up with my own hashtag for this today – #mittdumb

            However, I’m still not entirely clear on what a hash tag is.

          • wearyvoter

             /  July 30, 2012

            That would be Mr. Issa wrt insurance money and alleged well-timed flamework.

  12. Captain_Button

     /  July 30, 2012

    The Atlantic site is back up for me.

  13. Headline of the Day:

    Man Who Lost Hand to Alligator Charged With Unlawful Feeding

  14. Depends on whether the alligator appears in court.

  15. koolaide

     /  July 30, 2012

    I’m totally into watching all the Olympics I can. I know the IOC is a boondoggle of sorts and very little of the billions earned get to athletes. But I love watching random sports.

  16. Hoo boy. Third Hobbit film has been confirmed. (Dudes. You’re stretching out the wrong book, LotR can be stretched, not this one.)

    • baiskeli

       /  July 30, 2012

      The first one will devote quite a bit of time to Smaug’s childhood.

    • My understanding is that most of the fleshing out is actually material that’s backgrounded in The Hobbit, and mostly told through the appendices. (For example, Gandalf driving The Necromancer out of Mirkwood, and so on.)

      I mean. That doesn’t mean for a second I think a full trilogy is a good idea, but on the other hand it does mean more time in Middle-Earth. I dunno. I’m really torn.

      • JHarper2

         /  July 30, 2012

        I paid money to see Episode 1 of the Star Wars and what I got was Jar Jar Binks. I did not pay money to see eps 2 and 3, watched later on free TV, although neither one all the way through, watched parts at a time to keep down the gag reflex.

        I have a really bad feeling about a three part Hobbit.

      • caoil

         /  July 30, 2012

        I think I would rather have just seen the extra footage, more production diary stuff, the extra bits from LOTR that didn’t make it into the supplementary dvds…

        • watson42

           /  July 30, 2012

          Now I *know* my head is back in science. I read “supplementary dvds” as “supplementary data”. 🙂

          • wearyvoter

             /  July 30, 2012

            Would that be in text, pdf, or video format linked from your published paper?

            • watson42

               /  July 30, 2012

              20K-line csv files?

              Now this has me wondering, what would Hobbit supplementary data look like? Electron micrographs of dragon scales? Telomere length in relation to time of exposure to the Ring? Language acquisition by thrushes? Emission spectra of elf-made steel alloys? Hm…

          • I am so glad that Papers 2 lets me handle supplementary data in a sane and rational fashion.

      • cofax

         /  July 30, 2012

        I’m worried about the bloat. I remember King Kong (she says darkly).

    • RUNS AND MOVES POSTS AROUND.

  17. JHarper2

     /  July 30, 2012

    Today in Oh, Really?
    1. Romney says Israel has a higher GDP than Palestine because of their Culture.
    a. No mention that anytime something gets going in Palestine it is bombed to S***
    b. No mention of massive US subsidies to Israel,
    c. But the real Oh Really? is the imputation of the Jewish Culture, it sounds to close to me to Teh Jews are greedy moneygrubbers whose culture is all about money. Now granted that for Romney’s worldview that is a complement, but is truly close to an offensive stereotype. Now as I am neither Israeli or Jewish perhaps this should not ring alarm bells with me, but still it does.

    Also apparently American soccer keeper at the Olympics has an issue with the commentary of American soccer legend Brandi Chastain. I read three pages of analysis at Slate that purported that it would explain the whole thing. It turned out to boil down to Women is bitches and they are just both Mean Girls. Really?
    Link here.http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/fivering_circus/2012/07/hope_solo_brandi_chastain_what_the_war_of_words_between_the_goalkeeper_and_the_broadcaster_reveals_about_the_state_of_women_s_soccer_.html

    • The whole Oh, Really? Part The First is the biggest reason that I’m so happy that I’m too busy today to pay any real attention to my beat.

    • koolaide

       /  July 30, 2012

      I’m not much of a Fatsis fan. I’m a HUGE soccer fan. Solo needs to keep her yap shut during the tournament. But Solo is all about promoting herself and she needs eyeballs for her book that comes out 2 days after the closing ceremonies…

      Solo clearly doesn’t realize that’s she’s gotten kid glove treatment from media up to this point. Her own on field miscues in the two games haven’t been pointed out. If she flaps at more crosses, shanks clearances, or makes big gaffe in any of the remaining games, methinks the media will be quick to point it out.

      • aaron singer

         /  July 30, 2012

        OTOH, an announcer criticized a player and she’s defending her from teammate from that criticism.

      • Electronic_Neko

         /  July 30, 2012

        I don’t agree with Fatsis’ paraphrase of the Jenkins article. Basically what Jenkins said is that Chastain’s comments weren’t out of bounds for an announcer and that Hope Solo was complaing about it because a.) she thrives on media attention b). the comment probably stung more than usual because Chastain’s team’s success is constantly hanging over the current women’s team. Fatsis pulled the one gender-specific remark from the article to shore up his argument that women are mean to each other.

  18. socioprof

     /  July 30, 2012

    Today in two-year-olds:
    1. Kiddo pooped his undies. I dumped the contents and set the undies aside so that I could (ugh) rinse (blech) them (ick) out. I ran to his room to get clean undies. When I got back, he was rinsing out the soiled pair. Dude–you nor I would have to rinse if you went to the mf’ing toilet!!!
    2. At naptime he wears a Pull-Up. Today he insisted that he wear the Princess Pull-Up that my niece left here a while ago. Score one against gendering baby items!!!
    3. After he woke up, he wanted to go for a walk and searched the house for his “bookpack” which I find the be the cutest thing. I say “backpack”. His dad says “bookbag”. I guess he’s showing that he won’t play favorites.

    • So sorry about the poop, but….

      d’awwwww…..!

    • This weekend in Three year olds:

      Niece A: “Puppy, I love you. Please stop licking my foot.”

      • David L

         /  July 30, 2012

        Last night in 29-year-olds: “Yes, cat, you’re glad I came home and gave you supper. But it’s 1:30 in the morning and I need sleep a lot more than you need me to pet you.”

        • Last night in 34 year olds:

          FatCat, I heart you, and I appreciate the sentiment, but for the love of god STOP LICKING MY BEESTUNG TOE!!”

  19. socioprof

     /  July 30, 2012

    Did y’all see the story in WaPo today saying that Obama is related–through his mother’s lineage–to the first permanently enslaved African in the US? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/house-divided/post/obama-related-to-countrys-first-slave/2012/07/30/gJQAhKWcKX_blog.html?hpid=z4

    I think that is amazing.

    The conspiratorialists will probably rejoice.

    • Bob Jones' Neighbor

       /  July 30, 2012

      Well, it does explain the “angry black man” meme that the Republicans have been using since 2008….

      • socioprof

         /  July 30, 2012

        How long before the payback argument starts getting floated? This + Django trailers might be too much to bear.

    • baiskeli

       /  July 30, 2012

      Well, I guess that we can now start calling him “American anti-colonialist” instead

      According to the study, Punch was an indentured servant who tried to escape his servitude in 1640 and for punishment was enslaved for life. This is the first documented case of slavery for life in the colonies and occurred decades before initial slave laws were enacted in Virginia.

    • Just noticed this for some reason, and holy shit.

  20. dmf

     /  July 30, 2012

    • baiskeli

       /  July 30, 2012

      Just how many curse words did you include in the post above?

  21. baiskeli

     /  July 30, 2012

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/tj-holmes-pulled-over-driving-black-no-joke_n_1718981.html

    Former CNN host T.J. Holmes was pulled over on Monday, and documented the experience over Twitter.

    Holmes did not indiciate where he was driving, but tweeted that he was pulled over one mile from his house with two cop cars behind him. He snapped a photograph of a police car in his rear view mirror with the caption “Driving while black ain’t no joke!”

    Holmes later added that the officer said he “wanted to make sure [Holmes] had insurance on the car.” Holmes commented, “I kid you not.” He then mocked the experience, tweeting that he “managed to avoid jail time” but his “relationship with _____ County police may have been soured a bit.”

  22. dmf

     /  July 30, 2012

  23. David L

     /  July 30, 2012

    An Op-Ed in the San Diego Union Tribune by openly gay journalist Rex Wockner makes a good point about LGBT identity that the activist classes (and Andrew Sullivan) haven’t seemed to grasp yet:

    Not every gay or lesbian person even considers his or her sexual orientation one of the most important pieces of his or her identity. For some, it’s just another thing, like being left-handed, or Episcopalian.

    http://bit.ly/QW6nkV (trying this because posts with a direct link get eaten)

  24. cofax

     /  July 30, 2012

    Oh, sadness. Raise a glass in honor of Jonathan Hardy, who provided the voice and the eyebrows for Dominar Rygel XVIth. And, apparently, who wrote the screenplay for Breaker Morant.

    He was hella funny on the convention circuit, too.

    • Nnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Jon is the only actor I’ve met who gave me his personal e-mail address, because HE wanted to talk to ME. And I wimped out.

  25. Ian

     /  July 30, 2012

    I don’t know what my Memo of Death has done, but it’s done something. This morning I got a phone call from the Director’s Office asking to confirm my boss’s office number. An hour later they called me again to say that, if things “get out of hand” tomorrow, I should call them right away. Huh.

    • Ian

       /  July 30, 2012

      (His room number, not his phone number.)

    • baiskeli

       /  July 30, 2012

      You did a good thing, and it sounds like everything will turn out okay.

      • Ian

         /  July 30, 2012

        Thanks. I don’t know if tomorrow will be the last chapter, but obviously something’s going to happen.

    • watson42

       /  July 30, 2012

      “If things get out of hand” sounds vaguely ominous. Both because the director’s office seems to be expecting something, and because they think (?) that something might get out of hand in your direction?

      • Ian

         /  July 30, 2012

        Oh, definitely. He’s a volatile guy. I don’t know which part of my 10-page (plus attachments) memo they’re going to hit him with, but it will be obvious where it came from.

        • watson42

           /  July 30, 2012

          Great, volatility on top of everything else? That guy must be an absolute joy to work with. I hope the Memo of Death does some good. In any case, here’s a fist bump in solidarity that you come out of all this unscathed.

    • Huh.

      Please go to work tomorrow armed with a sharp object, and the lid of a sturdy garbage can — it will make a handy shield, in this sadly shield-less day and age.

    • I will look forward to your report tomorrow with baited breath.

      • Ian

         /  July 30, 2012

        It got better. Bigwigs from the lower-48 showed up today unexpectedly. They’re planning to meet with us throughout the week. They have no idea that my boss’s job is hanging by a thread. And Wednesday we have a big audit. This is fucking crazy.

  26. dmf

     /  July 30, 2012

  27. CitizenE

     /  July 30, 2012

    My favorite Olympic athlete name: Dragon (pronounced Drag On) Stonkovic (of the Serbian men’s volley ball team). Would a great name for Arya Stark’s first true love in the seventh book.