An open thread for the Anglo-Saxon masses. (Also the Gauls. And the Normans. And everybody else).

AND THE MONGOLS.

Standard FYI clause: I generally wait about 2 hours after Ta-Nehisi would typically open a thread (roughly noon, EST, back when such a thing was typical…!), and if none is forthcoming, I put one up here.

125 Comments

  1. Seriously, people: Back this marvelous little Kickstarter if you can!

    I don’t want to have to start punching people in the name of multi-culti coloring books.

  2. Under no circumstance should you call Pinkie Pie from My Little Ponies by the name “Pinkie Poo.” My 7 year old son will cut you.

    • Noted.

      • The 9 year old called her “Pinkie Poo” this morning and I thought the 7 year old was going to lose it. There was a lot of yelling, which is weird because the boys don’t fight much.

        Ponies are apparently closer to his heart than I knew.

        Katryzna

  3. caoil

     /  July 25, 2012

    That’s fine, but just don’t let any of those bloody Romans in here! (I give them rather the side-eye after reading Terry Jones’s ‘Barbarians’)

  4. Yesterday was a red banner letter day. I was cross posted to Balloon Juice! TWICE.

    Today life is back to normal, full of irritating human beings that will not listen or go away.

    But it was fun while it lasted.

    • Need “like” button.

    • efgoldman

       /  July 25, 2012

      I might have replied a time or two myself. But i think your honorable presence in The Horde and Student Lounge is worth more. Probably not in page views, though.

      • It was freaky! all these people commenting on my post!

        • efgoldman

           /  July 25, 2012

          Yeah, that’s a surprisingly large community. Maybe its all those front-pagers. And they have no affiliation with a larger site or a major network or publication. I was surprised and glad to see you over there.
          The three blogger musketeers (you, KCox, Emily…)

    • Lizzou

       /  July 25, 2012

      Thought of you and other cat-loving here. I don’t even really like cats, but this rocked my socks:

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/paws/awkward-cat-sleeping-positions

  5. So the third Hobbit Movie Rumor refuses to die….
    http://wp.me/p10bqa-2AW

    • Darth Thulhu

       /  July 25, 2012

      Ok. Seriously. Why would he do this?

      The entire idea is so inherently gross to me that I am having difficulty analyzing it dispassionately. But what does he hope to accomplish with that? It is already a huge loss to chop up the quick narrative of The Hobbit with a bunch of appendix marginalia and side-quest filler. What could possibly be gained by bloating the narrative out to Three. Damned. Films?

      This rumor is seriously verging into Star Wars Prequels territory.

      • Byrk

         /  July 25, 2012

        I already have troubles with how Peter Jackson completely removed the scouring of the Shire, mostly because I would have loved to see a Hobbit uprising on film. If he decides to make a trilogy of this, he’ll certainly be pushing himself into George Lucas territory.

  6. baiskeli

     /  July 25, 2012

    Kitties!!

    This is both funny and profoundly unsettling/weird

  7. baiskeli

     /  July 25, 2012

    Just don’t let the Phoenicians in, those bastards use weapons of mass destruction (also known as “elephants”)

  8. Sorry! I made this disappear for a minute. ALL IS RIGHT WITH THE WORLD NOW.

  9. I was bored and I watched 24 Hour Party People again last night. Never a bad time.

  10. CitizenE

     /  July 25, 2012

    Could we just remember how the Anglo-Saxons have screwed up phonetics (cough).

    • Lizzou

       /  July 25, 2012

      You are mistaken! It was those damn Normans who ruined everything!

      A side note: I can’t stand how French people lump all English speaking people into a derogatory group called “les Anglo-Saxons.” Pisses me off. I ain’t no damn Anglo-Saxon! I speak the English, but my ancestors came from Sicily, Russia, Germany, and/or Cuba (a bit of hazy family lore on that one).

  11. CitizenE

     /  July 25, 2012

    Also a reminder for those with sewage problems: the pumps don’t work cause the Vandals took the handles.

  12. baiskeli

     /  July 25, 2012

    The GOP, always willing to make me bang my head into a Wall repeatedly.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/wes-riddle-congress-republican-texas-ron-paul

    On his personal blog, Horse Sense, Riddle muses on a range of subjects, from the importance of Flag Day to the value of entrepreneurship. In April, he penned an 800-word op-ed on the supremacy of Western civilization, noting, “Western civilization has produced the height of all civilizations in certain respects, to include literature. As Saul Bellow pointed out a few years ago, there ain’t a Tolstoy of the Zulus or a Proust amongst the Papuans.”

    Western civilization wasn’t perfect, Riddle explained, but it was better than the alternative. “I don’t want America to be a microcosm of the world, if by that you would include all the ignorance, ugliness, vice and corruption that are present in the world—chiefly (though not exclusively) from non-Western imports.” Besides, he noted, even our worst moves had unintended benefits. “Slavery in America was clearly harmful and wrong to the people who lived under it, but it proved to be the unintended transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom,” he wrote. “Are the descendants of slaves really worse off? Would Jesse Jackson be better off living in Uganda? Would we? (Don’t answer that).”

    • efgoldman

       /  July 25, 2012

      Need a bigger wall. Room for me.

    • CitizenE

       /  July 25, 2012

      But was there ever a white American who could have created the sounds of Les Mangelepa?

      For you my friend, thinking of the time Samba Mapangala spoke to me of days he played in Nairobi clubs that featured a 3 hour set of Simba Wanyika followed up by him doing another 3 hour set, the whole thing finished off by Les Mangelepa rolling on for over four hours. Boggles my mind.

      • baiskeli

         /  July 25, 2012

        Man, those are names I haven’t heard in a long time. Thanks🙂

        • CitizenE

           /  July 25, 2012

          Samba lives in the states, still performs–here, Europe, Africa. He performed at one of Obama’s inaugural balls.

          • baiskeli

             /  July 25, 2012

            I should check what his concert schedule is. That would be one phenomenal concert.

    • As I mentioned yesterday, it’s no longer a dog whistle, it’s a bullhorn.

  13. I’m not sure who is nuttier: the Aurora shooter or this wacko trying to explain the shooting.

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Devil_And_Mr._Holmes

    I’m not sure what is funnier: Charles Pierce’s dissection of the article or some of the comments thereto.

    • baiskeli

       /  July 25, 2012

      Jesus Fucking Christ!. That article….. No words (at least none that wouldn’t be taken as demonic possession by a particularly foul mouthed demon)

    • When Brown Kenneth Parcell is Vice President, Romney is going to put him in charge of his Demon Taskforce.

  14. caoil

     /  July 25, 2012

    Jeanette Winterson’s memoir is full of interesting snippets of her life, heartbreaking treatment from her mother, and the expected beautifully-composed sentences, but I came across this passage during my ride to work and thought it appropriate for the Horde:

    “Books, for me, are a home. Books don’t make a home – they are one, in the sense that just as you do with a door, you open a book, and you go inside. Inside there is a different kind of time and a different kind of space.
    There is warmth there too – a hearth. I sit down with a book and I am warm. I know that from the chilly nights on the doorstep.”

    • Bookwoman

       /  July 25, 2012

      That’s lovely. Have you read her novel, which is clearly autobiographical, Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit?

      • caoil

         /  July 25, 2012

        Yup – and saw the movie, which has one of my favourite (now sadly deceased) actresses in it.

        But ‘Written on the Body’ is my absolute top book of hers.

        • Bookwoman

           /  July 25, 2012

          I haven’t read that – must put it on the list! Oranges just floored me, especially when I found out that she had really lived through much of what she described.

          • caoil

             /  July 25, 2012

            Oh, I love her to bits, even when I’m not entirely sure what she’s saying in a given paragraph (Art & Lies had me puzzled over and over).

        • Caleb

           /  July 25, 2012

          lighthousekeeping is absolutely my jam. written on the body is a close second.

    • I’ll have to look for that. Enjoyed those of her books I’ve read. (And her interview with Bill Moyers is fun, btw.)

    • Darth Thulhu

       /  July 25, 2012

      Beautiful excerpt from the memoir. I need to see if we have it in stock.

  15. Lizzou

     /  July 25, 2012

    Has anyone else had the experience where, through online forums, you get the feeling that some English people are still holding on to this massice grudge concerning American independence? Today I made the mistake of commenting on The Telegraph’s article about Romney and Anglo-Saxon-ness.
    My. God. Made me want to flee back to the familiar and comfy arms of American trolls, it did.

    • efgoldman

       /  July 25, 2012

      Why would you expect Brits who comment on newspaper stories to be any different than Americans who do.
      Also too, this her intartoobz thing? Commenters could be from anywhere. Trolls know no borders.

      • efgoldman

         /  July 25, 2012

        E
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        or even preview…

      • Lizzou

         /  July 25, 2012

        Naw, I mean, with American trolls, I at least have the comfort of knowing where the crazy comes from, culturally and historically speaking. I usually hit myself for letting them draw me in.
        With these British trolls, I felt like I was mowed down and I didn’t even know *why.* Totally blindsided and shocked. Maybe I’m just more trusting than I realize.
        Grrr. I can’t seem to be able to explain it in a coherent way…

    • David L

       /  July 25, 2012

      Also, from a political leanings standpoint, the Telegraph is to British papers what the WSJ is to American papers–the voice of the well-off, right-of-center establishment (and sometimes referred to as the “Tory-graph” for its fondness for Conservative Party talking points.) You’re not going to get far there if you criticize Mitt Romney.

      But if you’re looking for fun, you should try the Daily Mail. It makes Fox News look calm and reasoned by comparison.

      • Lizzou

         /  July 25, 2012

        I tried the Daily Mail once. Once. Never again.

      • Lizzou

         /  July 25, 2012

        In one particular nasty encounter, someone called me a parvenu. Had to look it up, and then promptly lmao.

    • JHarper2

       /  July 25, 2012

      I think it is more resentment that they are clearly no longer the Top Nation, in wealth, in cultural influence, in world esteem or in power.
      They let it go and they resent the nation that took their place.
      Like a bully dethroned they have lost their swaggering preeminent role and as their esteem was external, they are deflated and resentful with no other resources. Thus they cling to the “special relationship”, which means they are besties with the new cock of the walk, and imagine that they US could not get by with their help and tutelage.
      They were not generous Lords and Masters and are unattractive toadies. With bad teeth and worse commercial ethics.

      • efgoldman

         /  July 25, 2012

        Yeah, but FSM, that was true by the end of WW2. Long, long time for millions of people who weren’t even born to hold a grudge.
        Oh, wait. What’s that thing, here, that happened in the early 1860s? There is that.

  16. Bob Jones' Neighbor

     /  July 25, 2012

    And as long as we’re staying weird, here’s one of those questions:

    If someone is “ineffable”, does that mean that the can’t be effed? Just askin’.

    • Bob Jones' Neighbor

       /  July 25, 2012

      Damn! Can’t edit!

      “If someone is “ineffable”, does that mean that they can’t be effed?”

    • Bookwoman

       /  July 25, 2012

      I have a friend whose sig on a message board is “effing the ineffable”. She’s an Anglican priest.🙂

  17. baiskeli

     /  July 25, 2012
    • This is what Massholery looks like when it’s used as a force for good rather than evil.

    • David L

       /  July 25, 2012

      And a special “fuck you” to Chick Fil-A for not just yanking their Jim Henson stuff but claiming that they’re recalled due to a safety risk (when, AFAIK, Henson spokesmen said that they were going to allow the current agreement to continue), backdating the announcement so that the “recall” appeared to have started before this entire flap started, and then astroturfing their own Facebook page when people complained.

    • Being as Mass. was the first commonwealth/state to have SSM, I can’t imagine why CFA would want franchises there in the first place.

      • aaron singer

         /  July 25, 2012

        Because it makes economic sense. Their Chicago location is thriving.

    • aaron singer

       /  July 25, 2012

      I’m not sure how comfortable I am with denying business licenses for solely political reasons.

      • I’m completely, 100% uncomfortable with it. But I also assume that he doesn’t have any actual power to do this and is just blowing off steam like, again, Massholes have a tendency to do.

        • …. and is just blowing off steam like, again, Massholes have a tendency to do.
          WE DO NOT!! WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU YAMMERING ABOUT?!?

        • aaron singer

           /  July 25, 2012

          Here in Chicago, Alderman ‘Proco’ Joe Moreno does have that power. It’s called “Aldermanic Privilege.” Basically, that means if the Alderman doesn’t want it in his ward, he’ll tell the Mayor/ zoning dept. not to approve it. That’s Chicago for ya.

      • Ian

         /  July 25, 2012

        I didn’t read it that way. “No place for your company alongside [the Freedom Trail]” isn’t really a threat. It’s just the mayor saying, “Look, we’re patriots here, and you’re not, fucknuts.” We need more of that.

    • efgoldman

       /  July 25, 2012

      Interesting. 10-12 years ago, Mayor Mumbles would have done no such thing. Unless they wanted to open a fast-food place on the corner of his street.

      • Ian

         /  July 25, 2012

        You’re right, definitely. No way.

        • I didn’t know the Freedom Trail went to Alaska. That’s a shit-ton of red bricks.

          • Ian

             /  July 25, 2012

            I used to live in Boston, fucknuts.

          • Ian

             /  July 25, 2012

            (Call me a dipshit, ef. Please call me a dipshit. I miss New England so much sometimes.)

            • And I would know that, how, dipshit? You think I got nothin’ bettah to do than study yaw wicked pissah biography?
              [There used to be a wonderful website, gone maybe 10-12 years or more,called “Wicked Pissah”.]

              • Ian

                 /  July 25, 2012

                Thanks, man.

              • cofax

                 /  July 25, 2012

                y’all are making me homesick! Nobody in the Bay Area ever uses “wicked” as an adverb…

                • Years ago, when the Horde was a bit less sophisticated, I asked if anyone knew the origins and etymology of the usage. Nope. All those grad students and higher degrees, no-one could answer.

  18. So I’m in Luxembourg again, enjoying the fine weather, the fine food, the fine environment–and this is the first time I’ve been homesick for my own country.

    I appreciate that the city here is much more diverse in how it looks. But I miss the actual interactions with people in my home country. Here (and IMO), while people walk around in much more of a mixed look than Seattle–there isn’t nearly as much interaction between the people. I watch people, and they stay in their own groups. I miss that I have my own friends from various cultures but that we share a common culture that makes everything seem to make sense.

    I appreciate how rich in culture this city is. It has quite a few beautiful sections and buildings, parks and gorges and streams, dim alleys and broad sunny plazas. But there is all this beauty around and it’s just a common sight. It’s worn and old, and I no longer am charmed by the smell of urine and feces in the tunnels or the graffiti defacing every surface. I’m tired of stressing out trying to figure out all the social norms–can I sit on a bus if an older person gets on? Do I have to explain that I’m quite tired and still suffering from jet lag and am just ready to drop somewhere? Do I enter at the front to pay, or from the middle and then reach around? Why does no one else seem to pay or swipe a card? Am I doing something wrong? Each economic transaction seems to have different rules–sometimes I get a bill, sometimes I need to pay before, sometimes I pay after, sometimes they take a 50 Euro bill, sometimes they don’t, sometimes I pay tax and sometimes I don’t, so I never know how much money to actually give. Sometimes a meal is reasonable–petit dejeuner is about $3.50–and sometimes I think I’ve been robbed when I get a bill for $25 for a lunch of a hamburger and fries at a pub.

    I feel good that I figured out how to buy a bus pass, how to figure out which bus I need to take through a city I’m unfamiliar with, how to figure out my stop when it’s spoken aloud in such a away that I don’t really recognize the words, how to figure out my return bus route, how to figure out a timetable in a foreign language, and how to get back to my hotel without getting lost or forgetting my stop.

    I don’t really understand the language. I understand English and German, but the English and German spoken here is melted, full of sounds I don’t recognize and unexpected inclusions of other words. I struggle to read directions which are a mix of languages, including the native Lexembuergish, neither German nor French but some weird mixture of collapsed and reformatted words and sounds.

    I think there are stages you go through when you move to a new country: first there is that wonderful charm of something new; then there is the increasing bewilderment at all the changes; then there is the crisis where nothing tastes like home and everything is wrong because everything is not-home; and finally you flip, you accept that you are in a new country, and you find the charm and love for your new land.

    I’m not at that final stage. I miss home, I miss my friends, the familiar tastes and sounds and smells, and I miss the sense that I belong somewhere.

    Now please understand I’m not complaining. I do love it here, and I am glad every day this week that I get to walk around a city that isn’t like my own. I’m just homesick, and maybe I have a little more understanding of what it is like for someone to come to my country, and maybe I’ll be a little more understanding when they fumble for change or miss a turn or crowd ahead of me in line.

    And how much I appreciate that I get to participate in the governance of my own country! While I might complain or be annoyed here–this is not my land. I can’t wait to return so I can engage with those who are like me and those who are not as we discuss and argue and fight over my own country, the land that I love. I will be very happy to return to Seattle and see the Stars and Stripes, and even to watch TV and see the political ads talking about issues that matter to me and interest me.

    • Bob Jones' Neighbor

       /  July 25, 2012

      Thanks for that essay. Those of us confined to the States just don’t get the opportunity for the king of homesickness that you describe.

    • I’m sorry you’re homesick, but I’m very happy to read this, especially the graf about the language — if I could like anything on this damn sub-standard blog, I would have liked it, believe you me!

  19. Alright people, it’s Guybrush time.
    Have fun, don’t do anything I wouldn’t do.

    • David L

       /  July 25, 2012

      I need a kitty to calm me down. Even though last night mine was angering me to the point where I called him a word that starts with C and ends with T and is synonymous with “pussy”, but was most definitely not “cat.”

    • Hmmm.
      What does it say about this bunch, that most of us know who/what Guybrush is?

      • Guybrush sends headbutts to your ankles and rolls over and demands his belly be rubbed.
        pic.twitter.com/OnQ8T5hF

        • I’ve not met Guybrush. I am allergic to many cats. We’ll see what happens. I’m not optimistic, since he is described as leaving clouds of hair wherever he goes. .

  20. David L

     /  July 25, 2012

    I would just like a quiet day when I can work without interruptions. And instead I have higher-ups going ME!ME!ME! and a guy who quit a month ago coming back and walking his replacement through a process right through the wall from me and capital-D Drama which I’ve gotten sucked in to through a badly-worded Facebook comment (which was intended to be neutral and has instead been interpreted by both sides of the argument as anti-them).

    And, right as I was about to hit send, landscapers on riding mowers. The leaf blowers should be behind any moment now.

  21. Dang nab it. TNC closed comments on the Voting ID thread. I wanted to doff my cap to the commentor and his reference to the curse of Ham. Well played.

    • cofax

       /  July 25, 2012

      CURSE OF HAM? Seriously? Wow.

      I need to go over and check out the wreckage.

      • baiskeli

         /  July 25, 2012

        Well, actually, that was me being sarcastic.

        • Yes. It was brilliant.

          • baiskeli

             /  July 25, 2012

            Thanks. That thread begun to make me seriously p*ssed off. I ended up bowing out.

            • I caught your intended meaning, I think, that this was the verse/story commonly used in theological arguments, so it was like a double-dunk.

              Now if you’ll forgive me for needing to leave this thread, but I am seriously incoherent due to jet lag and stress, and I’m going to hit the sack. Even Ambien isn’t helping me to get back into the right sleep cycle.

              • baiskeli

                 /  July 25, 2012

                b.t.w, I loved your Luxembourg post up above, now go get some needed rest.

  22. and Today I used the phrase “dirty dirty Muppet Hole Infested Merch.” How are you doing?

  23. Adventures in corporate email:
    A person in our Metro New York/NJ operation accidentally sent a routine email to the entire Northeast distribution list, roughly 13,000 people.
    Instead of ignoring the damned thing, and deleting it, a collection of “those guys” (as in “one of those guys”) replied back by “reply all”. Maybe 150/200 of them by the time I left at 2:30.
    In addition, the original e mailer tried twice to recall the message.
    Yes, our email servers crashed, why do you ask? Crashed themselves once, taken down on purpose the second time.
    A major, major financial company without its major internal communications. Great.

  24. Made it back from job interview. It included a lunch out with the reference and library staff I would be working alongside. I think it went well.

  25. wearyvoter

     /  July 25, 2012

    Just saw your reply to Michael from the Romney ad at “The Daily Beast”. Go get ’em. (And you sounded so friendly and disarming. 🙂 )

    • Thank you!!

      I am really, really trying to make that one happen, b/c the whole “lying about the Jews” thing is just pissing me the hell off, and my tools are very limited, so please feel free to spread the word!

      Actually I should post it right here in my own little spot, shouldn’t I.

      Off I go!

      • It is a wonderful piece. Thank you!
        As a Jewish atheist (and a very disappointed former supporter of Israel) I couldn’t agree more.