Ta-Nehisi Coates Student Lounge – an open thread.

TNC appears to be away from his desk, or to have otherwise abandoned us to the wolves, and so I give unto you: An open thread. Until he gets back, and takes us in from the cold. Which I’m sure he totes will. Anytime now.

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  1. Captain Button

     /  December 14, 2011

    abandoned us to the wolves

    I don’t have to comment faster than the trolls, just faster than you.


    • A) Ha!

      B) O_O! They used this on Big Bang Theory last week, and I cannot remember where it’s from. Pls tell me!

      • Captain Button

         /  December 14, 2011

        I first heard it as a joke from a friend of mine several years ago.

        Two hikers are out in the woods, and run across a bear. The bear chases them and they are running away. One hiker yanks off his boots and puts on sneakers from his backpack.

        The other hiker says “What are you doing? You can’t outrun a bear with sneakers!”

        ‘I don’t have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you.’

        Besides the joke form, it seems to be entering the standard metaphor toolbox for use in discussions and arguments about competition, betrayal, game theory, etc.

  2. dmf

     /  December 14, 2011

    couldn’t bear to listen myself, too depressing to dwell on the power of the christianist-rightwingnuts, but thought it might be of interest here:

    • And here I thought you loved me.

      • dmf

         /  December 14, 2011

        it is a dilemma whether or not to feed yer taste for life’s bitter fruits…
        but hey i gave you a cheezy love ballad below so ya know

  3. Captain Button

     /  December 14, 2011

    My thanks to everyone on yesterday’s OTAN for their advice and support about staying out of the race and religion email flamewar at work.

    As an anticlimax, the flamewar I expected did not materialize. An email from management this morning suggest that thsy may have acted promptly to head the whole thing off. Or maybe I was was just overly nervous.

  4. Still need to finish Christmas story… (whimper)

    • Captain Button

       /  December 14, 2011

      Losing your battle with the War on Christmas?

    • I send you… I was going to say hot chocolate, but I’m not sure that would be appreciated where you are! I send you a comforting beverage of your choice.


  5. BJonthegrid

     /  December 14, 2011

    I feel like I know you guys so I am about to share a part of myself that you haven’t seen. I’m prejudice. I can’t help it but there’s this group of people that I really dislike, These folks are lazy and they’re not the brightest bulbs on the light string – if you know what I mean. These people are a threat to our national security. I wouldn’t take a plane with one of them on it. And they lie! They lie about how much they love their Country but they do nothing to help it, nothing reserve the damage to our economy.

    What I really hate about these people is that we tax payers are supporting them and they don’t even do their jobs. Now I love teachers, policemen and the troops. I don’t mind my tax dollars going to unemployment insurance or food stamps but these lazy Freeloading moochers can’t even do the basics of their jobs…..like pass a budget. But this 112 Congress is so horrible, I want my damn money back…..with interest!

    • David L

       /  December 14, 2011

      There was a pretty lengthy segment on NBC last night about their latest poll, and how it seems to show that the only thing people dislike more than Obama are Newt Gingrich and Congress. Just another reason that I’m not exactly looking forward to the next 11 months.

    • Oh, you made me laugh. I knew the twist was coming. But it was still a surprise.

  6. efgoldman

     /  December 14, 2011

    Loo-seee! I’n ho-ome!

    Hello, Commie Horde.

    On November 19, I had a stroke. I lost the use of my right hand and arm, and some speech clarity. (No cognition loss, thank goodness.)

    My daughter, a regular (t)here, posted about it. She told me that more than 40 of you responded with good wishes, sympathy and prayers. When she said that, I bawled like a little child. I’ve never met any of you, likely never will (except maybe anibundel), yet I felt a connection that was as close as family.

    After two weeks in the hospital, and two more inpatient rehab, I am now home.

    Thanks to all of you. I really can’t express what the horde means to me, so thanks will have to do. I post elsewhere, but this is the one place I never miss. My snarkasm will show up from time to time, but typing is still difficult. I’d guess I have about 60% of my right hand function back (I”m typing this in advance, in Notepad).

    Whatever Solstice you celebrate, stay warm and brightly lit, may you have a mellow holiday, may your relative you can’t stand, behave.

    • efgoldman

       /  December 14, 2011

      Format fail. Sorry, out of practice!

      • caoil

         /  December 14, 2011

        Good to see you again! And most excellent news that you are healing so well!

      • taylor16

         /  December 14, 2011

        AAAAAAAHHHHH you’re back!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Happy dance, happy dance!!!! 🙂 I am so happy that you’re doing well and recovering. I’ve been thinking of you and hoping you were doing well.

        Can’t wait until you can share the post with the larger Horde….they are going to be so excited!!


      Oh, ef, I have tears in my eyes! I’m so happy to hear from you! Please, please be well, good luck with all the rehab, give my best to your poor wife, and when you see young K, please give her a kiss from me (as I have told her to give one to you).

      (And I’ll go fix the formatting for you! I’m the lady behind the curtain!)

    • BJonthegrid

       /  December 14, 2011

      So immediately after writing about my prejudices , you post and make me feel like a superficial gnat! Hahahaha

      So glad you’re better and at home! Make sure you post this also on TNC , next time her has an OTAN …..lots of folks will want to say hi. This made my day.

    • Bookwoman

       /  December 14, 2011

      So wonderful to have you back! We’ve missed you and your words of wisdom and humor.

    • Persia

       /  December 14, 2011

      I’m so glad you’re back and home! I hope your recovery will be as good and easy as possible given the circumstances.

    • taylor16

       /  December 14, 2011

      The regular OTAN is up now. Go make people happy there now!!!!!! 🙂

    • YAY!! You’re back!

    • You’re getting feted over at the mother ship, too – make sure you go read it! : )

    • Oh man, I am so glad to see your back. And to see your front, too.

      But I digress.

    • Darth Thulhu

       /  December 17, 2011

      Good to have you back, sir.

  7. caoil

     /  December 14, 2011

    Not the wolves! Noooooooooooooo! (/Anakin scream)

    I got stuck in a mesh of links via Feministe today, and I don’t know if you have seen this petition re Univ of Vermont, but wanted to pass along in case. Ahh, you probably have, because they’ve pushed it out of the comments into a full post.

  8. caoil

     /  December 14, 2011

    *apologies to Emily for not closing my href tag*
    *hides head in shame*

  9. David L

     /  December 14, 2011

    For the nerds/cat people:

    HTTP Status cats – http://www.felixrieseberg.com/deutsch/2011/12/http-status-katzen/

  10. dmf

     /  December 14, 2011

  11. Persia

     /  December 14, 2011

    Have you done anything to stop the SOPA act today? I called my congressman, and you can too!

    • I’m discouraged over this. I wrote my representative and my two senators, and got back a reply from one senator and the representative. Essentially, “thanks for your letter.”

      I know I’m only one vote. But I cannot understand why this is what Congress is doing when the nation has such critical issues. “8.9% unemployment? Neverending war? Increasing disparity between incomes? I KNOW! LET’S PASS A LAW THAT CAN SHUT DOWN INTERNET SITES BY STROKE OF THE PEN!”

      I realize that politicians react to the people who pay their salaries (donators), but still – my cynicism and despair meters have pegged all the over to 100% so hard that the needle is bent.

      • Persia

         /  December 15, 2011

        Same here. 2/3 of my congressional delegation is for this crap.

  12. So my third grader just walked in and announced that she ate a chocolate covered cricket at school.

    She is officially more bad-ass than me.

  13. Blog Flog. I wrote a piece on XFactor and how young is too young?

    So there!

  14. Neocortex

     /  December 15, 2011

    I was at the Occupy Boston raid early Saturday morning as a medic (not arrested or hurt). I am incredibly pissed at the way that it has been portrayed in the media as a Shiny Happy Raid where the cops were super-nice and nobody got injured. I feel like I can’t purge the anger because there is no public acknowledgment of the bad stuff that happened and continues to happen. “Not Oakland” is not the standard for what is right.

    (Partial list of things that happened: Several injuries resulting from police behavior including one woman who ruptured a disc in her back – injuries mainly to people who were already restrained and fully at police mercy – two legal observers arrested for doing their jobs, a medic arrested for refusing to leave a patient (two medics arrested in all), another medic shoved to the ground, media kept in a pool out of the action, reporter pulled away from the scene by his backpack and threatened with arrest, cops shining lights into cameras to prevent filming/photographs, cops arresting livestreamers or removing them from the scene, cops brought an LRAD (which they did not end up using) and had it in place less than 100 feet from people who left the camp and were demonstrating across the street, resisting-arrest charges tacked on purely to coerce people into taking plea bargains even though police said to the media that nobody resisted.)

    • Thank you for sharing this – I honestly think that the best thing you can do is tell as many people, in as many ways, as possible. The way we change the narrative is by changing it.

      And thank you for being there as a medic.

      • Neocortex

         /  December 16, 2011

        Thank you for your encouraging words. 🙂

        Another thing that I think people forget – I know that a lot of Occupiers forget this at times – is that not all violence comes from the government. There was a man in a suit who had been there earlier that night, politi-trolling some of our people, including the nice woman from Media, Robin, who is our “lead tweeter”, with anti-Occupy comments and calling them prostitutes. At around 4am (the raid was at 5am) he showed up, grabbed Robin’s phone from her hands, and punched her twice in the face. He would have beat her more but people intervened and chased him, and the cops caught him (briefly detaining one of the chasers too, but letting him go) and arrested him.

        Our Media working group folks really took it in the teeth that night. Robin was beaten by that jerk. At least one livestreamer was arrested and another was cuffed and led out and got a nasty handcuff injury from those horrible ziptie handcuffs (I helped bandage it). Another Media team member was unlucky enough to get one of the relatively cops who wanted to hurt someone, and, based on the accounts that I’ve heard, the cop more or less slowly crunched/tore his left wrist with the cuffs while holding him in a stress position, while the few people able to get near enough to see or hear anything listened to him scream.

        In some ways the handcuff injuries – which is what most of the injuries that I’m aware of were – disturb me more than baton hits would, unless the person being hit was tied up first. For one thing, the nerve damage can be long-term or permanent. For another, the pain can go on for a while, as people are sometimes cuffed for several hours during Occupy arrests. Most importantly, though, they’re being inflicted on people who are already completely at police mercy and can’t protect themselves in any way (e.g. leaving the protest line) – and I suspect that the public doesn’t know how badly ziptie handcuffs can hurt people or take the idea seriously, so it doesn’t provoke public outcry.

  15. Em –

    Thought you’d like this. Posted it on my own wall.

  16. dmf

     /  December 16, 2011

    RIP Christopher Hitchens, he burned brightly
    The More Loving One, Auden

    Looking up at the stars, I know quite well
    That, for all they care, I can go to hell,
    But on earth indifference is the least
    We have to dread from man or beast.

    How should we like it were stars to burn
    With a passion for us we could not return?
    If equal affection cannot be,
    Let the more loving one be me.

    Admirer as I think I am
    Of stars that do not give a damn,
    I cannot, now I see them, say
    I missed one terribly all day.

    Were all stars to disappear or die,
    I should learn to look at an empty sky
    And feel its total dark sublime,
    Though this might take me a little time.

    • I really, really disliked Christopher Hitchens almost all the time, except those times he said the one perfect thing that no one else knew how to say, at which point I would just want to slap him for annoying me so much of the rest of the time. I was tremendously moved by how he handled his diagnosis, and even by the fact that he kept pissing people such as myself off even as he died.

      Someone I follow on Twitter said it best, I think: “I disagreed with him a lot (like everyone!) but we should all aspire to make as much trouble.”

      Indeed. And I aim to try, at least a little.